Edinburgh Derailment

[tynesider]

From NREs

A derailed train is causing disruption near Edinburgh.
Because of this, journeys between Edinburgh and Haymarket may be delayed by up to 60 minutes. These delays will continue until further notice.
This was an empty train and no passengers were involved.

 

[ushawk]

Looks like that is goiung to cause problems for a while, although NRE does now say XC and EC services coming into Edinburgh from York should only have "mininal delays".

Anyone know what unit was involved ?

 

[michael769]

This happened about 10 minutes after my train left tonight - I was seriously lucky.

 

[Roark]

STV website has a photo
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/east-ce...ses-major-delays-for-passengers-in-edinburgh/

 

[michael769]

Here it is:

Looks like a Class 170....

 

[tynesider]

An update on NREs says that "Journeys between Edinburgh and Haymarket may be delayed by up to 90 minutes"

A check of Google maps shows that it can be walked in a third of that time

 

[alexf380]

Yup, 170.
Yes tynesider, good idea!

 

[ushawk]

I think it just generally means trains travelling through the affected area.

 

[michael769]

All the remaining services today are either cancelled or stopping short at outlying stations, with only the express group going all the way into Haymarket no big surprise - I guess.

The question is if they will be able to clear the line and remedy any damage before things start up again tomorrow morning.

 

[radamfi]

Will I be OK on the 1000 from London to Aberdeen tomorrow?

 

[MCR247]

170393
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Will I be OK on the 1000 from London to Aberdeen tomorrow?

How are people supposed to give a definative answer to that..?

 

[NightatLaira]

Could be a great time to start using the Edinburgh South Suburban...

I wonder if the sleepers will use it tonight with the 90s on drag with 67s? If I were in town I'd get you all some photos :roll:
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Will I be OK on the 1000 from London to Aberdeen tomorrow?

My guess would be yes: this isn't like the Heaton depot thing which took 3 days to sort out. Providing there's limited track damage it will get sorted out fast

 

[michael769]

Scotrail did not exactly cover themselves in glory when it came to providing information to passengers.

Even though both their own Journey check text message system and Nation Rail were reporting it as a derailment as early at 1805 customer services and station staff only seem to have been told of the cause 2 hours later. Their twitter feed was still saying "cause under investigation".

Something clearly went wrong with their lines of communication to front end staff.

 

[Failed Unit]

The normal trains are using the sub at the moment, who knows with the sleepers the highland could join up somewhere else nearer Glasgow?

 

[NightatLaira]

The normal trains are using the sub at the moment, who knows with the sleepers the highland could join up somewhere else nearer Glasgow?

Could do - but I'm pretty sure Edinburgh Waverley is one of the scheduled stops (at least for the Fort William portion), it's also the crew change over point, loco change point, and food restock point.

My betting is that they'll be scrambling 67s and people to sign them over the ESSL right as we speak. That - or a trip down the ECML..

Could be an interesting night! Shame I'm not in Scotland (again)...

 

[Failed Unit]

I suspect the line will be passable by then, it is hard to tell from the photo which line it is but 2/4 should be useable. The TPE train passing suggest the Carstairs is accessible. Can't think of a TPE service getting trapped around 1800.
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1600 London - Aberdeen got through OK on booked route.

 

[Liam]

Could do - but I'm pretty sure Edinburgh Waverley is one of the scheduled stops (at least for the Fort William portion), it's also the crew change over point, loco change point, and food restock point.

My betting is that they'll be scrambling 67s and people to sign them over the ESSL right as we speak. That - or a trip down the ECML..

Could be an interesting night! Shame I'm not in Scotland (again)...

Can they not send everything up to Haymarket and do the shunting/restocking there? Failing that, it has been done before at Mossend with Fort William-Edinburgh passengers on buses from Dalmuir/Westerton.

 

[michael769]

I suspect the line will be passable by then, it is hard to tell from the photo which line it is but 2/4 should be useable.

It looks like the mound tunnels in the top left of the image, so it is on the southern line that goes through the middle tunnel.

You could certainly get the sleeper around it, unless the area is in full possession for recovery works.

This makes me think, how will they get it back on the rails? I'm guessing the OHL would need to be removed to allow a crane to work in the area? Or can they get trains back on the tracks without lifting them?

 

[me123]

I'm booked to go through Waverley tomorrow morning; anyone know if it will be cleared by then? I've got a 17 minute connection from the Helensburgh service onto the 08:00 to King's Cross, and I'm not keen on getting a bus!

 

[daikilo]

It looks like the mound tunnels in the top left of the image, so it is on the southern line that goes through the middle tunnel.

You could certainly get the sleeper around it, unless the area is in full possession for recovery works.

This makes me think, how will they get it back on the rails? I'm guessing the OHL would need to be removed to allow a crane to work in the area? Or can they get trains back on the tracks without lifting them?

There are other low-level lifting means than a crane (airbags, jacks, ramps), but can they be on site early enough? Time will tell (or the people organising them).

 

[michael769]

The official line from Scotrail is that they have no info about the line being open or not in the morning.

HI Sorry we do not have that info at the moment you can check our website at this link for updates

I'd say the message is check online in the morning before setting off, and if you have a time critical journey consider getting up early, just in case!

 

[Failed Unit]

I'm booked to go through Waverley tomorrow morning; anyone know if it will be cleared by then? I've got a 17 minute connection from the Helensburgh service onto the 08:00 to King's Cross, and I'm not keen on getting a bus!

Is it a through ticket? Could you just get put on the 0830?

 

[me123]

Yes, but I'm only going to Newcastle for the day, and I don't really want to spend most of it on a bus going down the M8! The through ticket is fine of course; ticketing is not my concern here; but I'd rather just get there.

 

[michael769]

The helensburgh trains are terminating at Bathgate tonight.

Your best bet would be to change at Queen St onto the shuttle which this evening was running every 30 mins between Queen St and Haymarket, which I assume they will do tomorrow if it is still blocked, and then walk or bus it to Waverly from there.

 

[Blindtraveler]

did they get any scotrail aberdeens away
tonite? On the 13:28 tomorrow with a ferry connection for Orkney. Glad it was an empty, wouldnt have wanted to be traveling on that

 

[michael769]

The Aberdeen trains are starting and terminating at Haymarket just now.

EDIT: Reply from National Rail Enquiries about the chances of trains running in the morning:

It's too early to tell at the moment. Part of the line is already open, so some trains are able to run through.

 

[Bittern]

Could do - but I'm pretty sure Edinburgh Waverley is one of the scheduled stops (at least for the Fort William portion), it's also the crew change over point, loco change point, and food restock point.

Waverley is not a scheduled passenger stop for any portion of the highland sleeper, just is for the Edinburgh portion of the lowland sleeper, which I'd guess is likely to terminate at Haymarket instead,

 

[yorkie]

Is it a through ticket? Could you just get put on the 0830?

Why does it matter if it's a through ticket or not?

Of course, he can get the 0830, but his plans may be time sensitive and may require the 0800 in order to have sufficient time at his destination, in which case I'd get an earlier train from Helensburgh if at all possible.

An idea of how much slack there is in timetables is demonstrated by 1M81 1652 [stn]GLC[/stn]-[stn]BHM[/stn], this train departed [stn]EDB[/stn] 52 late, was behind a North Berwick stopper, and was over an hour late at Drem, yet arrived BHM only 13 late!

 

[scotsman]

The rear (52) coach of 170393 derailed working 5P37 1710 Cowdenbeath - Waverley when crossing over from the Down North to Up South line. The trailing bogie only has derailed, the rest of the carriage is slightly off-centre in the direction of the six foot between the two pairs of lines.

Fife trains seem to have some semblance of service now, most services have been starting from Haymarket, with Glasgow services and East Coast services running through to Waverley. Virgin have reportedly been diverting Edinburgh services into Glasgow Central instead.

 

[First ScotRail]

Waverley is not a scheduled passenger stop for any portion of the highland sleeper, just is for the Edinburgh portion of the lowland sleeper, which I'd guess is likely to terminate at Haymarket instead,

Yes it is, for the Fort William portion the seated sleeper starts/terminates there. Berth passenger it's not but seated it is.

Cannot see any reason why the sleeper would start at haymarket 2 lines open. E-G basically only thing going direct to Waverley and at 30 min frequency I'm sure the sleeper could get through, both of them.