Edinburgh to Newcastle & Return Query

[Esker-pades]

During the LNER diversions via Carlisle, I am planning the following trip:
15:38 Edinburgh to Newcastle arr 18:52
19:08 Newcastle to Edinburgh arr 22:00
I would like to book advance tickets.
If the outbound service is late enough for me to miss the return, would I be able to travel on a later service without paying the full fare? The minimum interchange time at Newcastle is 8 minutes.

 

[_toommm_]

During the LNER diversions via Carlisle, I am planning the following trip:
15:38 Edinburgh to Newcastle arr 18:52
19:08 Newcastle to Edinburgh arr 22:00
I would like to book advance tickets.
If the outbound service is late enough for me to miss the return, would I be able to travel on a later service without paying the full fare? The minimum interchange time at Newcastle is 8 minutes.

I don't see why not as you're travelling on a valid, albeit peculiar to the general population itenaray. You may have some staff ask why you've travelled up to come back down again, some may genuinely be curious. I'd ask LNER to see if they can side with you (would be a nice piece of proof incase of any trouble)

 

[yorkie]

I'd avoid that if at all possible; I'd say in theory yes but I am not sure we can conclusively say so.

One thought: what is your journey? If your journey is Edinburgh to Edinburgh and delays become apparent before Carlisle, someone might argue that you should re-route yourself and head back at Carlisle. If you are making two separate journeys, then it's unclear whether or not the minimum interchange time applies.

I guess someone could have a genuine need to undertake such journeys returning promptly after arrival; they may be carrying out a delivery or document exchange. But would it be wise to plan to do so, with such a short turnaround?

Can you plan to have a bit of time in Newcastle? There is plenty to see and do there; if you want something rail related you could do a circular trip around the coastal loop.

I think they should allow you on the next train personally but I am not sure all staff would be keen on it.

 

[Esker-pades]

Thanks all for your replies.

I'd avoid that if at all possible; I'd say in theory yes but I am not sure we can conclusively say so.

One thought: what is your journey? If your journey is Edinburgh to Edinburgh and delays become apparent before Carlisle, someone might argue that you should re-route yourself and head back at Carlisle. If you are making two separate journeys, then it's unclear whether or not the minimum interchange time applies.

I guess someone could have a genuine need to undertake such journeys returning promptly after arrival; they may be carrying out a delivery or document exchange. But would it be wise to plan to do so, with such a short turnaround?

Can you plan to have a bit of time in Newcastle? There is plenty to see and do there; if you want something rail related you could do a circular trip around the coastal loop.

I think they should allow you on the next train personally but I am not sure all staff would be keen on it.

My journey is technically Edinburgh to Edinburgh. As I'm only really using Newcastle as a turn-back point, I could argue that split ticket rules apply, but I'm really not sure.

As for to short turnaround, I want to set aside some time in the morning for possible university work whilst being on an IC225 set in one direction. If I go in the morning, then that effectively blocks out the whole day. By having a near tea-time departure, I can get a reasonable amount of work done before I do a leisure activity.

I don't see why not as you're travelling on a valid, albeit peculiar to the general population itenaray. You may have some staff ask why you've travelled up to come back down again, some may genuinely be curious. I'd ask LNER to see if they can side with you (would be a nice piece of proof incase of any trouble)

Which bit of LNER should I contact? Would a social media confirmation suffice, or should I use a more formal channel?

 

[_toommm_]

Thanks all for your replies.



My journey is technically Edinburgh to Edinburgh. As I'm only really using Newcastle as a turn-back point, I could argue that split ticket rules apply, but I'm really not sure.

As for to short turnaround, I want to set aside some time in the morning for possible university work whilst being on an IC225 set in one direction. If I go in the morning, then that effectively blocks out the whole day. By having a near tea-time departure, I can get a reasonable amount of work done before I do a leisure activity.




Which bit of LNER should I contact? Would a social media confirmation suffice, or should I use a more formal channel?

Try Twitter they're nice, but whether they have a knowledge of the NRCOT or not...

Like yorkie said, try to leave more time, unless you're specifically travelling on a HST or a Mallard or some other reason.

 

[Esker-pades]

See the uploaded screenshot of my conversation with them on Facebook.

It seems to say yes, although I'm drawn to the word "connecting".

Full Text:

Hello. I have a query for my journey on the 22nd of September from Edinburgh to Newcastle and return.

I have booked advanced tickets on the 15:38 service from Edinburgh to Newcastle, which arrives as 18:52. My return is booked on the 19:08 from Newcastle back to Edinburgh, arriving at 22:00. If my first train is delayed, will I be able to board a train after the 19:08 without an additional charge?

I have allowed 16 minutes to change, and the minimum interchange time for Newcastle is 8 minutes. Thanks.

If you experience any delay, that affects your connecting service, please speak to the station staff, who will be able to validate your ticket for the next available service. ^AC

 

[Esker-pades]

They appear to have confirmed that any delay will mean that I can use the next train.

I'm confused by the word "connecting". As the two journeys are separate (Edinburgh to Newcastle then Newcastle to Edinburgh), I am worried that this will not apply to my situation.

I misread the message. Yes any delay to your service, your ticket can be validated for the next service. The station staff will be aware of any delays or disruption to services. ^AC

That's all right. Thank you very much.

 

[yorkie]

See the uploaded screenshot of my conversation with them on Facebook.

It seems to say yes, although I'm drawn to the word "connecting".

I'd say that validates it. But if you can edit your post to include a hyperlink and text quote that'd be great, thanks

 

[_toommm_]

See the uploaded screenshot of my conversation with them on Facebook.

It seems to say yes, although I'm drawn to the word "connecting".

Seems like a generic response, but I can't possibly see what possible way it can be misconstrued by station staff if worst comes to worst and you do miss your 'connecting service'

 

[Esker-pades]

I'd say that validates it. But if you can edit your post to include a hyperlink and text quote that'd be great, thanks

Edited. I haven't included a hyperlink as it was done via Facebook Messenger.

 

[_toommm_]

Edited. I haven't included a hyperlink as it was done via Facebook Messenger.

Feel free to include your email and password - just incase anyone struggles to read the photo

 

[yorkie]

Edited. I haven't included a hyperlink as it was done via Facebook Messenger.

That's great, thanks It looked like it might be from Twitter; we do ask for the source to be mentioned to avoid confusion, thanks for doing that

 

[superalbs]

Would there not be a booking engine (such as Trainsplit), that could sell you a combination of tickets for a 'one-way' journey from Edinburgh, to say, Haymarket, via Newcastle? That way, it's one through journey, under one through booking.

 

[_toommm_]

Would there not be a booking engine (such as Trainsplit), that could sell you a combination of tickets for a 'one-way' journey from Edinburgh, to say, Haymarket, via Newcastle? That way, it's one through journey, under one through booking.

No as you'd be doubling back massively, and any itenaray would be a massive glitch, leaving the OP open to even more stick off staff.

 

[Esker-pades]

As LNER have confirmed twice that I will be able to get on a later service without any extra charge, I don't want to start complicating it.

 

[superalbs]

No as you'd be doubling back massively, and any itenaray would be a massive glitch, leaving the OP open to even more stick off staff.

Not if it's a combination of fares for a through journey.