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Elon Musk - the world's "greatest" spiv?

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He also posted (then quickly deleted) a fake Telegraph article shared by one of the leaders of Britain First, claiming that Starmer was going to build detention camps for the far right rioters in the Falklands. As reported by Forbes:

Mary Whitfill Roeloffs said:
Musk, who purchased Twitter in 2022 before renaming it X, shared an image posted by Ashlea Simon, co-leader of far-right party Britain First, that showed a fake headline from the Telegraph newspaper claiming "[British Prime Minister] Keir Starmer considering building 'emergency detainment camps' on the Falkland Islands."

The photo also showed a preview, also fake, that read, "The camps would be used to detain prisoners from the ongoing riots as the British prison system is already at capacity."

The Telegraph confirmed “no such article has ever been published” by the newspaper, and a an X community note clarification was added to Simon's initial tweet, reporting it as fake, before her post was also taken down.

Musk’s re-share of the post was up for at least 30 minutes, and viewed by almost 2 million people, before he deleted it.
 
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My Threads feed is about 90% UK ex-Twitter users saying they've finished with the fascist site.

This has been something I’ve been thinking about (along probably with lots of people this week). I’m not on X so this is more of a step away opinion, but it seems that so many people on the various things I listen to say that it’s now a far worse cesspit than it ever was and all the far right voices are just amplified these days.

The arguments against leaving seem to be that once you’ve built up a big base of followers and/or it’s part of your way of doing business (news or political podcasters for example) that it’s still the most important one to be on and that it’s difficult to go somewhere else.
Another argument I hear seems to be that it’s better to be on there and providing balance.

If it really has got that bad though can’t the majority of people (who generally aren’t extreme one way or another) unite, vote with their feet and move to something different, even if it is a slightly inferior product at first?

It just sounds like trying to keep things balanced on X is like trying to fight with one arm tied behind your back since Musk has taken over and he’s getting more extreme not less.

It feels like Musk has too much power and the users of this platform are possibly going to end up enabling him further by staying on it for much longer.
 

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This has been something I’ve been thinking about (along probably with lots of people this week). I’m not on X so this is more of a step away opinion, but it seems that so many people on the various things I listen to say that it’s now a far worse cesspit than it ever was and all the far right voices are just amplified these days.

The arguments against leaving seem to be that once you’ve built up a big base of followers and/or it’s part of your way of doing business (news or political podcasters for example) that it’s still the most important one to be on and that it’s difficult to go somewhere else.
Another argument I hear seems to be that it’s better to be on there and providing balance.

If it really has got that bad though can’t the majority of people (who generally aren’t extreme one way or another) unite, vote with their feet and move to something different, even if it is a slightly inferior product at first?

It just sounds like trying to keep things balanced on X is like trying to fight with one arm tied behind your back since Musk has taken over and he’s getting more extreme not less.

It feels like Musk has too much power and the users of this platform are possibly going to end up enabling him further by staying on it for much longer.
Realistically, could Twitter be prevented from operating in the UK if its continued presence was deemed to be inimical to the wellbeing of the UK and its citizens under whatever law(s) or decree(s)? I'm not asking about the legality of such a move or the ethics of such a decision, but the practicalities. So far as I know, China and other states adopt this policy supposedly in the name of national security, but how effective is it in preventing their citizens having access and making contributions?
 

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Realistically, could Twitter be prevented from operating in the UK if its continued presence was deemed to be inimical to the wellbeing of the UK and its citizens under whatever law(s) or decree(s)? I'm not asking about the legality of such a move or the ethics of such a decision, but the practicalities. So far as I know, China and other states adopt this policy supposedly in the name of national security, but how effective is it in preventing their citizens having access and making contributions?
It's a pretty significant change to the way internet regulation typically operates in the UK, and there's a degree of risk that you'd end up paying out a pile of money to Twitter via arbitration, but it's certainly technically possible.

You could approach the blocking from a number of routes, including requesting the company to stop providing service to UK users, requiring UK ISPs to block access to the service, preventing UK payment services from processing user subscriptions, preventing UK companies from buying advertising, and at the extreme making it a specific offence to access the content from the UK.

None of that blocks all users from accessing the content, but it prevents easy discoverability. Really committed extremists have access to the content through more obscure channels anyway, so it's not an issue that they can access Twitter.

Personally I'd be inclined to start by making it clear to public sector bodies that Twitter isn't an appropriate medium for customer communications. The fact that TOCs and similar bodies are currently using it like it's a decent place for doing business is uncomfortable, and acts as an ongoing source of customer acquisition and retention.
 

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Personally I'd be inclined to start by making it clear to public sector bodies that Twitter isn't an appropriate medium for customer communications. The fact that TOCs and similar bodies are currently using it like it's a decent place for doing business is uncomfortable, and acts as an ongoing source of customer acquisition and retention.
I think this is a big part of the problem and if many companies and similar stopped using Twitter it would encourage more people to move off the platform. I stopped using Twitter when Musk took over and it's frustrating how much content is still on Twitter and of course now you can't use Twitter without logging in. It's been clearly shown that these large social media platforms being run by individuals shouldn't be the way and I'm disappointing federated platforms haven't taken off and you'd think as a company, having your own federated platform you have control over would make more sense as well.

After repeatedly claiming to be a proponent of free speech and also telling advertisers to 'Go f*** themselves', Musk is now suing companies for not advertising on Twitter:


It seems a promising sign that Twitter is not doing well.
 

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This BBC news article on Musk's activities in the lead up and surrounding the UK riots is worth a read: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5gd1jzkeo

What is Elon Musk's game plan?


X can feel like two parallel universes at times.

There’s the version where the president of the United States chooses the platform to announce he won’t be running for re-election. That’s the one where the worldwide authority on a particular subject uses X to offer their expert take on unfolding events.
And then there’s the version where false claims, hate and conspiracy theories, including many posts relating to the recent riots and protests across the UK, are recommended to millions who have made absolutely no attempt to seek them out.
At the centre of it all is X’s owner Elon Musk, one of the world’s richest people. But this isn’t just a story about the monetisation strategy and algorithms employed by X under his tenure and how they are boosting divisive content.
It is increasingly also a story about how Mr Musk himself is choosing to wade in, overtly, to opine on unrest in the UK.
And nobody is quite sure what his game plan is.

Stirring the pot​

Mr Musk bought what was then called Twitter in 2022. In November 2023, the site reinstated the account of the previously banned far-right activist and convicted criminal, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, known as Tommy Robinson.
Then this week, Mr Musk responded to a post from Yaxley-Lennon with two exclamation marks - in other words, stirring the pot.
Yaxley-Lennon had taken aim at UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer for his words after riots broke out following the murder of three girls in Southport. Yaxley-Lennon had accused the Prime Minister of labelling everyone upset about the murders as “thugs”. Mr Starmer’s speech had specifically referred to thugs as being those throwing bricks at police officers.
Yaxley-Lennon had also been critical of the prime minister’s comments about increasing policing powers in response to the riots.
Mr Musk then later went on to suggest, in response to a video of rioting, that “civil war is inevitable”. The prime minister’s spokesperson said there was “no justification” for this claim.
Mr Musk doubled down again - responding to the prime minister’s post about attacks on Muslim communities by asking: "Shouldn't you be concerned about attacks on *all* communities?” And Mr Musk repeated the remark in a tweet of his own, making allegations about violence from anti-racist and Muslim counter-protesters and accusing the police of a “one-sided” approach.
It’s not as if X didn’t already contain plenty of content around events in Southport before Mr Musk’s interventions.
False claims that the person responsible for the killings in Southport was a Muslim refugee who arrived in the UK by boat in 2023 spread like wildfire across X. They then spilled out on to other social media platforms and were also posted on some Telegram channels - but much of the most frenzied, amplified conversation was happening on X.
The claims were shared by pseudo-news accounts, profiles with a track record of promoting evidence-free conspiracy theories about everything from the pandemic and vaccines to wars - and then also by prominent political commentators, politicians and influencers.
The profiles reaching the most users with these ideas had often purchased blue ticks meaning their posts were granted more prominence on the platform.
Mr Musk, with his own blue tick and 193 million followers, has been interacting with some profiles sharing divisive content and, in doing so, amplifying their message.

'Radicalising himself'​

There’s not currently a definitive answer as to what is driving Mr Musk.
His presence as an active player on his own platform is certainly keeping X talked about.
For all the furore around his ownership of X, last month the site said it had 251 million global daily active users in the second quarter of this year, an increase of 1.6% from the same period of the previous year. Of course, this can be attributed to a range of factors - like what’s happening in the world. While these figures represented a drop in growth, X is still a focal point for digital conversations.
For all the warnings that X would cease to exist under Elon Musk, a variety of different users are continuing to post - including many world leaders and prominent political figures of all stripes.
It may also have something to do with Mr Musk’s views on threats of regulation - and in the UK specifically, the Online Safety Act, which was passed under the previous government.
When this comes into full effect in 2025 it will require social media firms to remove illegal content, including where it is "racially or religiously aggravated". Mr Musk has repeatedly been vocal about his concerns that attempts by governments to regulate social media sites - like his own - risk infringing freedom of speech.
Others wonder if he has simply spent too much time on X. Sander van der Linden, a professor of social psychology at the University of Cambridge, has suggested, external that Mr Musk may be “radicalising himself on his own platform”.
Of course, the reasons for the protests and riots in the UK clearly extend far beyond social media.
It’s also the case that the Twitter of old, the pre-Musk version, was far from perfect.
There were accusations of bias and suggestions its moderation policies curbed freedom of expression for particular types of accounts. It also had trolls aplenty. But on paper, its policies and approach were different - and, simply from analysing my own feed before and after the takeover, it was different.
Straight after the takeover, Mr Musk stated the importance of fairness to all sides - including in terms of what then-Twitter allowed to be shared on the site. He has made clear that freedom of expression is a central priority at X - and as a private citizen, like any user, he’s entitled to share his opinion about politics or other topics.
It is a recent development on Mr Musk’s part, though, to decide so clearly to back specific political positions and candidates.
Take, for example, the way he endorsed Donald Trump after the assassination attempt, or the content he shares that is critical of Trump’s opponent Kamala Harris. He’s shared some posts that are very hostile to some liberal views.
Now he has decided to voice opinions on some of the most sensitive issues in British life, too.
What has evolved is a complex dynamic. As owner, Elon Musk oversees decisions made by X that have affected what content is permitted and actively recommended to users. At the same time, his account is thought to be the world’s most followed and itself plays a significant role in shaping the tone of some of X’s most promoted and contentious content.
I’ve repeatedly approached the social media company in relation to the rioting in the UK, including multiple interview requests for Mr Musk. I even posted on X asking him. He has not responded to any of my interview requests.
Mr Musk has highlighted his concerns that the media doesn’t hold power to account any more. And yet most of the time, when I want to ask questions of both him and of X - there is no response from the social media company. X continues to share in its publicly available guidelines that its priority is protecting and defending the user’s voice.
So instead, I have to settle with imagining what I’d say to him if he finally did agree to speak.
I think one of the first things I’d ask would be: “What’s your game plan?”
It’s a question only he can answer.
 

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I think the best way to encourage a Twitter exodus without forcing the platform to close, is for the government to announce that all Ministers and Govt Department accounts close in a boycott. This will send a strong message about how the platform is viewed, make several companies think twice and by all probability follow suit. Whether the govt will do this is another matter, but they are clearly not happy with the role the platform and Musk specifically have played in the last 2 weeks.
 

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I am not sure everyone should close their account if there's a risk of someone creating a new fake identity, but rather stop posting and make it clear you've now moved to, say, Threads.

It is important to note that Threads is now suffering obvious issues with bots and it was naive to think only the 'good guys' would move.

Bots seem a bit more obvious but it will only get worse as the bad actors get better. While X is toxic, Meta isn't exactly the ideal business either.
 

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I think the best way to encourage a Twitter exodus without forcing the platform to close, is for the government to announce that all Ministers and Govt Department accounts close in a boycott. This will send a strong message about how the platform is viewed, make several companies think twice and by all probability follow suit. Whether the govt will do this is another matter, but they are clearly not happy with the role the platform and Musk specifically have played in the last 2 weeks.

This kind of thing and the suggestions by @takno in this post would seem like ideas that are at least worth seriously thinking about.

The direction of travel has already been cast and the platform isn’t going to right itself any time soon with an egomaniac in charge. Times change and the moderate world needs to see the threats for what they are becoming. Hopefully this week’s trouble has been contained but if the extremes continue to be amplified then next time it’ll likely be worse as more and more people go further down those routes.

I am not sure everyone should close their account if there's a risk of someone creating a new fake identity, but rather stop posting and make it clear you've now moved to, say, Threads.

It is important to note that Threads is now suffering obvious issues with bots and it was naive to think only the 'good guys' would move.

Bots seem a bit more obvious but it will only get worse as the bad actors get better. While X is toxic, Meta isn't exactly the ideal business either.

Maybe it’s not so much about who moves over, but more about having a sensible moderation system? I don’t use any of these platforms though so I’m very much asking those of you that do for your thoughts!
 

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Maybe it’s not so much about who moves over, but more about having a sensible moderation system? I don’t use any of these platforms though so I’m very much asking those of you that do for your thoughts!
I’m more a reader and only occasional poster, so I go where people I want to read are. For me, the people who left Twitter went to Mastodon. Though that does mean I’m now on both as there’s still lots of content, especially official accounts on Twitter
 

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I’m more a reader and only occasional poster, so I go where people I want to read are. For me, the people who left Twitter went to Mastodon. Though that does mean I’m now on both as there’s still lots of content, especially official accounts on Twitter
My Mastodon account is pretty quiet and mostly focused around tech development, and because a lot of what gets shared in my circle is boring and sanctimonious it isn't widening fast. I felt like I was missing out for a while, but I think overall I'm just happier without it in my life.

The majority of Twitter's impact on my life has been to create many stand-up arguments with content marketers who have fallen for the outrageously overhyped engagement figures they used to provide, so I'm definitely happier about not having that.
 

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It's a pretty significant change to the way internet regulation typically operates in the UK, and there's a degree of risk that you'd end up paying out a pile of money to Twitter via arbitration, but it's certainly technically possible.

You could approach the blocking from a number of routes, including requesting the company to stop providing service to UK users, requiring UK ISPs to block access to the service, preventing UK payment services from processing user subscriptions, preventing UK companies from buying advertising, and at the extreme making it a specific offence to access the content from the UK.

None of that blocks all users from accessing the content, but it prevents easy discoverability. Really committed extremists have access to the content through more obscure channels anyway, so it's not an issue that they can access Twitter.

Personally I'd be inclined to start by making it clear to public sector bodies that Twitter isn't an appropriate medium for customer communications. The fact that TOCs and similar bodies are currently using it like it's a decent place for doing business is uncomfortable, and acts as an ongoing source of customer acquisition and retention. threats.
Thank you, that's very interesting. I'm glad it does seem to be a realistic prospect to achieve should it be found necessary by our government on our behalf. I don't in the main hold with bans etc but when one person or organisation holds so much power and behaves in a dangerously megalomaniac way, we have to be prepared to do what it takes to counter his/its existential danger to us and not waste time when that moment is reached.
 

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My Threads feed is about 90% UK ex-Twitter users saying they've finished with the fascist site.
A few of the people I used to interact with on Twitter bailed out a long time ago, some going to BlueSky and others to Mastodon. These days I only use it to get service updates for various companies, but I don't spend any time on the platform. Add to that the fact that when I last tried to use Tweetdeck (which was my preferred method of accessing it), I was re-directed to pro.twitter.com and asked to pay at least £7 a month. Musk can shove that where the sun doesn't shine!
 

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Mastodon has not worked for me with very minimal engagement and I must admit I rarely drop in (so I guess I'm part of the problem).

Threads has taken off really well, despite still being somewhat limited in functionality. I think it will turn out to be the winner.

There are rumours that Elon wants to somehow get involved with Trump and maybe take over or merge Truth Social. I don't know how true that is, but it would only make things even worse and lose even more advertisers, but maybe his business model now is to go after advertisers for money - and then find a way to look up all those who moved to Threads and bill them also.
 

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A few of the people I used to interact with on Twitter bailed out a long time ago, some going to BlueSky and others to Mastodon. These days I only use it to get service updates for various companies, but I don't spend any time on the platform. Add to that the fact that when I last tried to use Tweetdeck (which was my preferred method of accessing it), I was re-directed to pro.twitter.com and asked to p ay at least £7 a month. Musk can shove that where the sun doesn't shine!
The thing that drove me off the platform was the shutdown of third party apps. I had 3 accounts, one for personal life, one for professional and one for Traksy. I just wanted to see what was posted by all the people i followed in one place, not navigate 3 separate curated feeds including endless stuff i wasn't interested in.

Meanwhile an interesting article in the Guardian about why politicians and leading public services won't just quit the platform. It does mention a couple of politicians saying that they will engage less and only make announcements, but with the conclusion that other platforms swerve politics altogether, which isn't ideal for them getting their messages out.

One area which I've seen some other companies mention is that they regard staff actually engaging with the platform by replying and doing customer service as a welfare and safety issue. As such they may have to go into announcement-only mode in order to meet their obligations as employers.
 

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I wonder whether there are other four-letter words that could be used instead of "spiv"?

Of course all of them would be using unacceptable language for a public forum! ;)
 

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I wonder whether there are other four-letter words that could be used instead of "spiv"?

Of course all of them would be using unacceptable language for a public forum! ;)
But they would be allowable speech on Twitter. Notably, the word "cisgender" is not. Strange bloke.
 

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One that starts with f springs to mind.

Fool obviously.

Btw how did his Robotaxi reveal which he said would be on 8/8 go yesterday?
 

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One that starts with f springs to mind.

Fool obviously.

Btw how did his Robotaxi reveal which he said would be on 8/8 go yesterday?

It got delayed until October.

And even then it isn't going to happen. FSD relies on cameras and not LIDAR which means it doesn't work well in rain, and it seems Tesla owners are dismissive of this - perhaps because rain is less of an issue in some states.

However, I think I can see a tiny flaw in a taxi that suddenly can't drive, or crashes, because of heavy rain.

I wonder how Elon is going to find a way to convince investors and simps that it's all good when he does eventually hold the event.
 

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It got delayed until October.

And even then it isn't going to happen. FSD relies on cameras and not LIDAR which means it doesn't work well in rain, and it seems Tesla owners are dismissive of this - perhaps because rain is less of an issue in some states.

However, I think I can see a tiny flaw in a taxi that suddenly can't drive, or crashes, because of heavy rain.

I wonder how Elon is going to find a way to convince investors and simps that it's all good when he does eventually hold the event.
Well thats a surprise. :lol:

He is such a penny pincher, even my Dacia has LIDAR
 

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This has been something I’ve been thinking about (along probably with lots of people this week). I’m not on X so this is more of a step away opinion, but it seems that so many people on the various things I listen to say that it’s now a far worse cesspit than it ever was and all the far right voices are just amplified these days.

The arguments against leaving seem to be that once you’ve built up a big base of followers and/or it’s part of your way of doing business (news or political podcasters for example) that it’s still the most important one to be on and that it’s difficult to go somewhere else.
Another argument I hear seems to be that it’s better to be on there and providing balance.

If it really has got that bad though can’t the majority of people (who generally aren’t extreme one way or another) unite, vote with their feet and move to something different, even if it is a slightly inferior product at first?

It just sounds like trying to keep things balanced on X is like trying to fight with one arm tied behind your back since Musk has taken over and he’s getting more extreme not less.

It feels like Musk has too much power and the users of this platform are possibly going to end up enabling him further by staying on it for much longer.

having a somewhat potty mouth when people post absolute rubbish on Twitter, I used to get the warning that 'Twitter users don't like this kind of language' message regularly.
I haven't had it for more than a year.

What I do end up doing though, is:
Blocking adverts for drop shipped goods and for unrealistic life hacks,
Blocking new followers who have no tweet history, very few followers and haven't been on the platform long,
Blocking p*rn bots, and
Blocking live stream ads for football matches when I'm on the #NUFC hashtag when they're playing away from home, it works out for me that approximately 1 in 6 are genuine tweets, the rest are all ads for live streams of the game

The thing that drove me off the platform was the shutdown of third party apps

Could this be why the Bot Sentinel app doesn't work any more for me?
 

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and it seems Tesla owners are dismissive of this
I suspect a big part of Tesla owners are foot-licking Musk fans so follow their things religiously. The idea not to use LiDAR comes famously from the guy himself.

That is clear when you see most Tesla reviews on YouTube, more often than not, absolutely no mention of the various issues on their vehicles.

Could this be why the Bot Sentinel app doesn't work any more for me?
API Access cost thousands now indeed
 

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We stopped using X (twitter) at work for various reasons but I argued that we need to be careful if we use it because we can't control what appears next to our tweets. Having said that Facebook is full adverts for illegal goods and services too and when I complain they just say it doesn't go against their guidelines. My FB stream has now been flooded with all these right wing groups on the false promise of posting a picture from the good old days.

I am now very very close to quitting FB despite the personal issues that will cause.
 

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We stopped using X (twitter) at work for various reasons but I argued that we need to be careful if we use it because we can't control what appears next to our tweets. Having said that Facebook is full adverts for illegal goods and services too and when I complain they just say it doesn't go against their guidelines. My FB stream has now been flooded with all these right wing groups on the false promise of posting a picture from the good old days.

I am now very very close to quitting FB despite the personal issues that will cause.
I signed up for Facebook one night before going to bed. Went to post for the first time the next day and met with a message saying I was banned for breaching their Community Guidelines!! That was two years ago and I'll never have anything to do with them again.
 

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I wonder how Elon is going to find a way to convince investors and simps that it's all good when he does eventually hold the event.
It will go about as well as the Cybertruck launch did - a clattering failure.

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I wonder whether there are other four-letter words that could be used instead of "spiv"?

Of course all of them would be using unacceptable language for a public forum! ;)
I have two that I regularly repeat in my head, especially over the past week or so: they start with C and F respectively. I'll say no more than that, but you get the picture lol
 

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I signed up for Facebook one night before going to bed. Went to post for the first time the next day and met with a message saying I was banned for breaching their Community Guidelines!! That was two years ago and I'll never have anything to do with them again.
What did you say in the post (if it doesn't breach RailUK community guidelines?)
 

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It will go about as well as the Cybertruck launch did - a clattering failure.

Two million pre-orders remember. Yet this week, they've opened up the order books to everyone and can ship a car very quickly.

What happened? He didn't build and deliver two million Cybertrucks. When they had the last recall I think it was around 12,000 vehicles. Where did all the others go?

Was the two million deposits paid a lie, was it fans paying $100 or whatever it was just for a screenshot moment to post on socials and say 'I've ordered one!' or what? Safe to say, Cybertruck has failed. The only reason you see so much of it online is the content creators who bought one to get loads of videos out of, and many of those have since sold theirs on (or possibly, by the looks of some posts, crashed or destroyed them).
 

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Two million pre-orders remember. Yet this week, they've opened up the order books to everyone and can ship a car very quickly.

What happened? He didn't build and deliver two million Cybertrucks. When they had the last recall I think it was around 12,000 vehicles. Where did all the others go?

Was the two million deposits paid a lie, was it fans paying $100 or whatever it was just for a screenshot moment to post on socials and say 'I've ordered one!' or what? Safe to say, Cybertruck has failed. The only reason you see so much of it online is the content creators who bought one to get loads of videos out of, and many of those have since sold theirs on (or possibly, by the looks of some posts, crashed or destroyed them).
Yep, the more you lay all the basic, sorry facts out like that, the more of a failure it becomes.
 

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I signed up for Facebook one night before going to bed. Went to post for the first time the next day and met with a message saying I was banned for breaching their Community Guidelines!! That was two years ago and I'll never have anything to do with them again.
That's surprisingly common. As far as I've heard suggested the accounts get compromised, but the Facebook itself often isn't actually touched because that would alert the owner. It just gets used to create a verified linked Instagram account which is used for spam, or to sign up for other services using Facebook Connect.

Unfortunately the Facebook account is so useful to fraudsters that they end up having security which is wildly out of kilter with your plans to share cat pictures with old school friends and join rail groups. The "violated community guidelines" message just seems to be their unhelpful message to say "we think you might be a scammer and we don't want to share information about our defenses"
 

JohnMcL7

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Two million pre-orders remember. Yet this week, they've opened up the order books to everyone and can ship a car very quickly.

What happened? He didn't build and deliver two million Cybertrucks. When they had the last recall I think it was around 12,000 vehicles. Where did all the others go?

Was the two million deposits paid a lie, was it fans paying $100 or whatever it was just for a screenshot moment to post on socials and say 'I've ordered one!' or what? Safe to say, Cybertruck has failed. The only reason you see so much of it online is the content creators who bought one to get loads of videos out of, and many of those have since sold theirs on (or possibly, by the looks of some posts, crashed or destroyed them).
I think a mix of that but also I think many people preordered the Cybertruck because it was cheap for what it was and offered a good range which the final one is nothing close to. Instead of being the mass market electric pickup truck it promised it's become a specialist tech demonstrator and I don't think it can be any more than the latter plus it's not really doing much for the Tesla brand when there's no new Tesla cars to draw people to. I think even fairly recently Musk was claiming the Cybertruck was the future of Tesla which just seems absolutely absurd.

I still think making a retro supercar along the lines of the Hyundai N Vision 74 although functioning in the same role it still has the same problem of there not being any new Tesla vehicles to draw people to.
 

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