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50002Superb
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Have these been renumbered from something else?
Yes both were 171's. Presumably made 170/9 to stand them out as they have different couplers. Once this is solved they will be 170422 and 170423 again.
Anonymous10
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its been reported the mk4s have one going to crewe for work for door control mods so likely not 170s
Apparently that's down to transfer in December 2023, but may or may not depending on how next year turns out for both operators.
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170UTD
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Yes they've just changed the 4 to a 9, there's some pictures of them on Facebook
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Realtime Trains | 5E27 1035 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 30/10/2022
Real-time train running information for 5E27 1035 departure from Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P. on 30/10/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
5E27 1035 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P.
Thanks Liamf656.
I attempted to catch 170923 at Nottingham, but the incoming working from Worksop (2D11) was cancelled
.I got chatting with some EM train crewe, who said the ex-Southern 170s weren't in good shape - and had been failed earlier this morning.
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They'll probably figure out the teething issues eventually and service will improve. It can't be good when they haven't moved properly in 3 or 4 months.Thanks Liamf656.
I attempted to catch 170923 at Nottingham, but the incoming working from Worksop (2D11) was cancelled
I got chatting with some EM train crewe, who said the ex-Southern 170s weren't in good shape - and had been failed earlier this morning.
Let's hope the TfW ones are in better shape, especially 170271 as it's going to be sat at Barrow Hill for a while because of the lack of space at Etches Park.
ChrisC
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It’s been a real bad day on the Robin Hood Line today with numerous cancellations and late running. Gaps of up to 3 hours without a train to and from Worksop. The Robin Hood Line is usually very busy on Saturdays often with standing room only on the usually hourly service. Before Covid, when it was 2tph south of Mansfield, many trains even then were overcrowded on Saturdays. The 170’s from Southern obviously haven’t been very reliable today.Thanks Liamf656.
I attempted to catch 170923 at Nottingham, but the incoming working from Worksop (2D11) was cancelled
I got chatting with some EM train crewe, who said the ex-Southern 170s weren't in good shape - and had been failed earlier this morning.
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They only transferred in September so they’ve been sat around for only a month but yes even that amount of time in storage isn’t good for them
Those 4 have always had issues when they were used by Southern - I believe Southern kept them OOU for around 3 years owing to the conversion to 171s and subsequent refurbishment, after which they had issues arising from the conversion amongst others. This led to the other 5 SR ones (416-420) being handed back to Eversholt and EMR then leasing them.
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Confirmed 170270 170271 170272.Its on the siteRealtime Trains | 5E27 1035 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 30/10/2022
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5E27 1035 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P.
Caught nice at Coleshill Parkway with a autumnal background right before a autumnal rain storm.
5E27 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P on Time.
With once again 170270 170271 170272 now departed from South Wales now in pastures now at East Midlands territory. However though not long before they reach Peterborough possible on a Emr service brings back memories from days on those Anglia services into Peterborough.
However braved weather to get these.
Unsure if already mentioned, but the 3 ex TFW units are on their way, routed via the Severn Tunnel:
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Realtime Trains | 5E27 1035 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P. | 30/10/2022
Real-time train running information for 5E27 1035 departure from Cardiff Canton Sidings to Barrow Hill L.I.P. on 30/10/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
317 forever
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In September I travelled with EMR Stockport-Sheffield, Lincoln-Sleaford/Sleaford-Grantham and Lincoln-Doncaster. None were class 170s, even though the hope of riding one was a motive for going to Lincoln. I did see some on Lincoln-Leicester services though.
Then yesterday, a consolation for my Flixbus cancellation (as highlighted in that thread) was locating and riding a 170 Derby-Stoke. I didn't note its number but it had green London Midland interior.
Then yesterday, a consolation for my Flixbus cancellation (as highlighted in that thread) was locating and riding a 170 Derby-Stoke. I didn't note its number but it had green London Midland interior.
I’ve noticed a lot more 170 workings on the Liverpool to Norwich route recently, except only working between Liverpool and Nottingham strangely enough. The other routes tend to get them fairly regularly as it is though.
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Crewe to Nottingham via derby is a regular. Matlock To Nottingham via Derby also.
317 forever
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Yes, I even saw a pic on this thread from earlier in this thread of 2 EMR 170s passing eachother at Warrington Central.
As I may be going to Widnes just before Christmas, maybe I'll ride one again then.
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Caught? You took photos? If so, where can we see them?
271’s now at Barrow Hill, with 270 and 272 now at Etches Park. I wonder if they’ll get the same vinyl treatment as 273 did before they enter service?
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The weird thing is EMR never ran any crew trainers or gauge testing runs between Chesterfield and Liverpool as they did with their other regional services - they just randomly shoved 170638 and 418 on it due to lack of available units over the summer and now they seem to have a few diagrams on that route. Very much preferred over the 156s and sometimes 2 car formations!
They were already accepted as gauged for the route by Network Rail which was the main thing. There was a particularly poor weekend for availability and it was decided to run them by the appropriate people, and they've been used ad hoc since. The drivers and guards require no further training to operate them on other routes - they have similar handling characteristics to a 15x, albeit not exactly the same.
As I said above - they have no diagrammed work to Liverpool or Norwich but some 158 diagrams are favoured over others for one reason or another.
I would imagine as the balance of units shifts towards 170 but still with large numbers of 15x they will appear more often, at least for the time being.
TT-ONR-NRN
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170638 was a big treat. More modern and nippy than the usual 158 (and obviously nicer than a 156) and not disgustingly shabby and dated like the ex-ScotRail lot. No random luminous green either like on the /5s.
Wasnt as long as 3 years but it was a while. There had loads of teething issues when they first came over, i remember having to cancel a rush hour 10 car at London Bridge because a cab door wouldnt close properly! Eventually were as reliable as all the rest after a few months. They did have to be treated differently if an engine failed as coaches didnt cross feed (share electrical power).
Remember the 170's were the standard stock on Norwich - Liverpool runs for a number of years, the paperwork for gauge clearance will have been done decades ago. Plus there's no crew based in Liverpool or Manchester.
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They worked in multiple with the Class 158s back in the Central Trains days. I remember it very clearly growing up!
170416 is knocking about today on Liverpool - Norwich services.
Failed Unit
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Yes and no, track remodeling I understand is an issue. I understand at Lincoln as an example when the station was rebuilt, all trains using the station needed to be re-gauged and the 170s (under CT) clearance was no longer valid.
Picture from Flickr of ex-TfW units transferring to EMR (not mine, credit to curly42)
https://flic.kr/p/2nWiNAg
https://flic.kr/p/2nWiNAg
Indeed I do considering it was one of my old locals, but from my understanding EMR seemed to be doing test runs to all new destinations and excluded LIV-NOT, so my presumption was they were not going to end up there for a while yet.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Two former Southern 171 170/9s in use on the Robin Hood Line today. If anyone has any pictures of them in service I'd love to see.
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