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Eurostar: Additional passport check on arrival at St P?

Brooke

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Hi all, having already cleared border controls at Gare du Nord on my way out of France, I’ve just been stopped again to have my passport checked on arrival at St Pancras.

This is by border officials at the newly installed desks just before the customs check hall prior to the exit.

This is a new additional check: it didn’t happen on my weekly commute last week!

Does anyone know what it’s for and why?
 
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Haven't those desks been there for years? The UK Border Force sign is the pre-2024 one with the St Edward's Crown on top...
 

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Haven't those desks been there for years? The UK Border Force sign is the pre-2024 one with the St Edward's Crown on top...
Hi, there were some there for years, absolutely. Those were used very occasionally, e.g. when there was a problem with the data transmitted and a recheck of the train was needed on arrival.

But now there are new desks in their place, with people checking passports, apparently for every train(?)
 

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Hi, there were some there for years, absolutely. Those were used very occasionally, e.g. when there was a problem with the data transmitted and a recheck of the train was needed on arrival.

But now there are new desks in their place, with people checking passports, apparently for every train(?)
Ah, we've got the Electronic Travel Authorisation now in force.

Apply for an electronic travel authorisation (ETA)

An ETA gives you permission to travel to the UK.

Who can get an ETA​

Whether you can get an ETA depends on:

  • the date you travel
  • your nationality as shown on your passport
 

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They're not planning to check every arrival in St Pancras, are they?
The whole point of outstationing border force is that the vast majority of the time there should be no checks in St Pancras
 

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It is just random from what I understand, when I went through last week some people were asked to show documents the majority walked through.
 

Brooke

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Putting the pieces together then, I suppose there’s not (yet?) a way to check for ETAs reliably at the outstations and so this additional check has been put in place at St P.

Seems a bit daft (and wasteful) considering all the Border Force hanging out at the outstations, but hey, who am I to question it!
 

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Arrived at St Pancras last Sunday and there was two staff at these desks but didn't see anyone get stopped.There was more staff in the customs area but no one was getting stopped.
 

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I’ve been spot checked once in maybe 20 trips at St Pancras.
 

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Just had my first Eurostar trip and no checks on arrival back at St Pancras.

However the departure area was an absolute shambles. There simply isn't the room for the number of passengers for two departures and all the luggage being transported.
 

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I’ve been spot checked once in maybe 20 trips at St Pancras.
When Eurostar used Waterloo I got stopped. My suitcase was checked and the customs officer noticed my printed guide to the best beer bars in Brussels. He asked if he could photocopy it. I agreed but thought he had a cheek having delayed me by 10 minutes.
 

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I’ve been spot checked once in maybe 20 trips at St Pancras.

I would guess it is this or an intelligence driven check I.e. there was someone who was allowed to board in Paris to enable them to be detained at St Pancras.
 

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Does anyone know what it’s for and why?

Generally speaking, they're used in these situations:

- There's someone that the UK wants to detain, but that they don't want to deal with the trouble of detaining them at the juxtaposed controls, as the facilities there are often quite limited for the amount of passengers transported. By making it seem like a 'random' check, they also avoid drawing attention to the fact that it's done this way. There are also some legal issues associated with detaining people and subsequently deporting them to the UK at the juxtaposed controls, except at Coquelles. Of course, if it's a serious matter such as a wanted murderer, they'll be detained immediately without letting them travel to the UK.

- There was an issue with recording and transmitting data at the juxtaposed control. This happens from time to time, and the biometric scanners are not always operational. There was an issue a while ago where biometric checks weren't carried out for technical reasons, and the Tory government made it clear that every passenger had to be biometrically checked.

- Sometimes it's a random intelligence check: you stop the person, and if they behave in a suspicious way, you can follow up with some questions to find out more. The juxtaposed controls don't have the capacity to carry out meaningful intelligence activities, so it's better to be carried out in St Pancras.

- It can be that these aren't really UK Border Force officers at all, but rather SO15 (or what used to be Special Branch). It can happen that they're looking for someone that they suspect to be using a fake identity, or that they want to pull someone who might have some connection to someone. It would be very politically difficult for them to operate at the juxtaposed controls, so these 'second line' checks serve an intelligence, not immigration function.

- Training purposes, i.e. teaching officers how to conduct random stops for the purpose of immigration control.
 

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It's how a french book publisher was detained so that he could be questioned using UK anti-terrorism laws, at the request of the french authorities, to gain access to his electronic devices a couple of years ago:

Now it would be harder to do that. Renaud Camus was refused UK ETA last week. He is a far right author who wrote about the "great replacement theory". It has been misreported that he was banned from the UK. Refusal of UK ETA doesn't ban someone from the UK, instead it means they need a visitor visa. He may successfully apply for a visa or have application rejected or may choose not to come to the UK.
 

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