Euston remodelling

[miikey]

Hi all,

Just wondering if anybody knew where I could find diagrams of Euston - Camden pre 2000 remodelling?

I work at Euston now and was interested to see what it was like before all the new roads and signals were installed.

Cheers

 

[swt_passenger]

There's a before and after diagram at the bottom of this post from a 2011 thread:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=679609&postcount=20

 

[MidnightFlyer]

There's a before and after diagram at the bottom of this post from a 2011 thread:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=679609&postcount=20

Doesn't that diagram show the 1960s remodelling, not the 2000 one?

 

[swt_passenger]

So it does, my apologies if it confuses the OP, but he may find it interesting anyway.

 

[edwin_m]

Doesn't that diagram show the 1960s remodelling, not the 2000 one?

Did much change after the 1960s remodelling prior to the remodelling in 2000?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Did much change after the 1960s remodelling prior to the remodelling in 2000?

Having a gander at my 1990 Quail: the only obvious change is Sidings 16, 20 and 21 becoming platforms 16-18 respectively, with Sidings 17-19 abolished.

OP - I believe during the 2000 works, the old Carriage line between Park St Jn and Camden Jn was abolished (the tunnel bore at the Euston end is still obviously extent) and the diveunder that is now line X was reduced from double to single track.

 

[yorkie]

Doesn't that diagram show the 1960s remodelling, not the 2000 one?

Indeed.

The 2000 remodelling diagrams can be found in the June 2000 edition of Modern Railways. I may be able to scan a good quality image, but in the mean time, here's a basic photograph of the page.

 

[Andrew1395]

Hi all,

Just wondering if anybody knew where I could find diagrams of Euston - Camden pre 2000 remodelling?

I work at Euston now and was interested to see what it was like before all the new roads and signals were installed.

Cheers

I had some photo copies of the pre 2000 layout with A,B,C sidings, back of the box sidings, 4 Backing out roads. I will try and dig them out and scan them. Alternatively and old Quail map book will have it. Euston platforms 16-18 only signalled for passenger trains in about 1985/6. Before that there were special instructions, and no access to the platforms from the concourse.

 

[Bald Rick]

OP - I believe during the 2000 works, the old Carriage line between Park St Jn and Camden Jn was abolished (the tunnel bore at the Euston end is still obviously extent) and the diveunder that is now line X was reduced from double to single track.

Correct, the 'Up Empty Carriage Line' aka the mousehole. It hadn't been used for a while, and was renowned for being a pretty horrible place to be. The track had a tendency to creep down the gradient, and the Pway boys were forever having to pull it back up by brute force.

Line X is located where the Down Departure Line and Up Engine Line were. The original plan was to put Line X on an all new alignment which would have required the intersection bridge to have been completely rebuilt. However it was realised this would only give a very small journey time improvement for services on line X, and would be very very disruptive to construct. So it wasn't done.

Incidentally, the longest all line possession (ie no trains) for the remodelling of Euston was 11 hours on a couple of Sunday mornings. Most of it was done through taking one third of the station out of use for up to two months at a time, with the alterations being part of the permanent timetable for the summer period May - October 2000.

Euston remodelling will have a whole chapter devoted to it in 'A Cunning Plan - the memoirs of Bald Rick'

 

[33056]

Correct, the 'Up Empty Carriage Line' aka the mousehole.

Don't you mean the "rat hole"?

 

[Bald Rick]

Don't you mean the "rat hole"?

Oooooh. That's got the memory turning over. Could be.

 

[33056]

Those of us on the operating side have always known it as the "rat hole" and I have heard S&T refer to it as that too; unless the p way and other departments had another name for it?

 

[Bald Rick]

Those of us on the operating side have always known it as the "rat hole" and I have heard S&T refer to it as that too; unless the p way and other departments had another name for it?

Rat hole it is then. Mousehole might be the name for the BR inspired single bore Channel Tunnel concept in the late 70s.

 

[miikey]

Its refered to as the 'rat-hole' now. Ive obviously never been down there but ive had a peek a couple of times.