Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

[Jez]

Glad you had a good trip!

Yes they are, it helps a lot having closer to a full fleet now HD03 is in service and more available locos. There's been lots of things going on exam and maintenance wise to get things better (with more to come) which did nake things worse short term but is starting to show in much better availability.

Thanks. I had visions of a pair of 153s waiting for me at Piccadilly when i booked it as things werent so good a few weeks ago.

Good to hear that they are getting more reliable.

 

[Topological]

Thanks. I had visions of a pair of 153s waiting for me at Piccadilly when i booked it as things werent so good a few weeks ago.

Good to hear that they are getting more reliable.

Glad you had a good trip with Mk4

Sadly all my journeys are on the missing diagram at the moment, the 05:32 from Swansea is not bad, but the 18:30 that it later works from Manchester is not fun.

 

[Jez]

Glad you had a good trip with Mk4

Sadly all my journeys are on the missing diagram at the moment, the 05:32 from Swansea is not bad, but the 18:30 that it later works from Manchester is not fun.

Thanks. Hopefully it wont be too much longer before that journey is also booked for a MK4

 

[ATP]

Just got off the 12:30 ex-Man. Really pleasant journey, more relaxing than a DMU! I believe it was HD04 (going by the number in the small bit in the DVT you can walk into) does anyone know which loco was ahead? Didn’t manage to catch it as needed to get a connection.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

does anyone know which loco was ahead? Didn’t manage to catch it as needed to get a connection.

Realtime trains has it as 67025

 

[ATP]

Realtime trains has it as 67025

How do you see that info? I use realtime trains but unless the train is displayed at the top there’s no info? I’m on a mobile if that’s any different?

 

[Anonymous10]

How do you see that info? I use realtime trains but unless the train is displayed at the top there’s no info? I’m on a mobile if that’s any different?

Click go to detailed version in the Lower right of the timetable section, then show train information in top right of the time table section.

 

[sd0733]

Will likely be another short term decline in availability in the coming days with sets coming up for exams and the same backlog that happened a few weeks back.

Current set status is:
HD01+67029- Spare at Canton with 67029, loco swap for 67008 on Sunday due to 029 having limited mileage before due a bogie overhaul.

HD02+67008- Will work 1W96 tonight then enter temporary storage at Holyhead, 67008 will come off the set to go light to Crewe tomorrow to go onto HD01.


HD03+67015- On A exam at Crewe

HD04+67025- In service as the only 4 car now being used. As it was scheduled to be the first 5 car but missed out its now at the back of the queue and is fresh off A exam.

HD05+67006- At Crewe, still on exam and still formed 4 car but will be reformed before entering service.

HD06+67010- Finishes Crewe tonight and will then stop for B exam and 5 car

HD07+ 67022- In service.

Should be 3 diagrams on Saturday (both Cardiff starts and 1 from Crewe, 1 on Sunday-the Cardiff start, 2 and a half diagrams on Monday (1V31, 1V91, 1W55, 1V42, 1W23 subbed with a unit on Monday). HD03 should then re-enter service on Tuesday enabling 4 diagrams again but with only 4 available sets that does require 100% availability of those.

 

[Lurcheroo]

Will likely be another short term decline in availability in the coming days with sets coming up for exams and the same backlog that happened a few weeks back.

Current set status is:
HD01+67029- Spare at Canton with 67029, loco swap for 67008 on Sunday due to 029 having limited mileage before due a bogie exam.

HD02+67008- Will work 1W96 tonight then enter temporary storage at Holyhead, 67008 will come off the set to go light to Crewe tomorrow to go onto HD01.


HD03+67015- On A exam at Crewe

HD04+67025- In service as the only 4 car now being used. As it was scheduled to be the first 5 car but missed out its now at the back of the queue and is fresh off A exam.

HD05+67006- At Crewe, still on exam and still formed 4 car but will be reformed before entering service.

HD06+67010- Finishes Crewe tonight and will then stop for B exam and 5 car

HD07+ 67022- In service.

Should be 3 diagrams on Saturday (both Cardiff starts and 1 from Crewe, 1 on Sunday-the Cardiff start, 2 and a half diagrams on Monday (1V31, 1V91, 1W55, 1V42, 1W23 subbed with a unit on Monday). HD03 should then re-enter service on Tuesday enabling 4 diagrams again but with only 4 available sets that does require 100% availability of those.

Awesome update! Any sign of all 5 diagrams being assigned MK4’s once the 5 car programme is done ?

 

[sd0733]

Awesome update! Any sign of all 5 diagrams being assigned MK4’s once the 5 car programme is done ?

Not heard of an estimated date. It seems likely the 5 car programme will be complete around mid-April as it stands so fingers crossed once that's done it can start but time will tell on that.

 

[Anonymous10]

Not heard of an estimated date. It seems likely the 5 car programme will be complete around mid-April as it stands so fingers crossed once that's done it can start but time will tell on that.

I'm thinking of changing in Cardiff for a mk4 at the end of March to head to Shrewsbury and Chester beyond. What's the chances of mk4s being reliable by then? I appreciate that it's way off so was more wondering if the reforming works will be finished.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Will likely be another short term decline in availability in the coming days with sets coming up for exams and the same backlog that happened a few weeks back.

Current set status is:
HD01+67029- Spare at Canton with 67029, loco swap for 67008 on Sunday due to 029 having limited mileage before due a bogie overhaul.

HD02+67008- Will work 1W96 tonight then enter temporary storage at Holyhead, 67008 will come off the set to go light to Crewe tomorrow to go onto HD01.


HD03+67015- On A exam at Crewe

HD04+67025- In service as the only 4 car now being used. As it was scheduled to be the first 5 car but missed out its now at the back of the queue and is fresh off A exam.

HD05+67006- At Crewe, still on exam and still formed 4 car but will be reformed before entering service.

HD06+67010- Finishes Crewe tonight and will then stop for B exam and 5 car

HD07+ 67022- In service.

Should be 3 diagrams on Saturday (both Cardiff starts and 1 from Crewe, 1 on Sunday-the Cardiff start, 2 and a half diagrams on Monday (1V31, 1V91, 1W55, 1V42, 1W23 subbed with a unit on Monday). HD03 should then re-enter service on Tuesday enabling 4 diagrams again but with only 4 available sets that does require 100% availability of those.

Re HD02, why is it going into temporary storage?

 

[sd0733]

I'm thinking of changing in Cardiff for a mk4 at the end of March to head to Shrewsbury and Chester beyond. What's the chances of mk4s being reliable by then? I appreciate that it's way off so was more wondering if the reforming works will be finished.

Obviously a bit of guesswork at that long out but I'd say by the last 2 sets will likely still be on exam/lengthening leaving 5 sets for the 4 diagrams so barring any other work or failures nearer the time they should be able to be covered.

Re HD02, why is it going into temporary storage?

Essentially Crewe can only take 4 sets, HD03, 05 and 06 are already there on exams so if HD02 went there too it would mean all 4 Mk4 "slots" were taken and no diagrams could start or finish there until 1 was released. Its run out of days until its exam is due so putting it out the way at Holyhead until its time comes allows better rotation on the serviceable sets as no depots will become overloaded. I'd expect it to be there until HD06 is almost complete but dependant how much work its TO requires there's a possibility it will end up leapfrogged by HD04 as that will be due exam in around 15 days so the timing of it may see that happen, especially as HD02 has been quite troublesome recently

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Obviously a bit of guesswork at that long out but I'd say by the last 2 sets will likely still be on exam/lengthening leaving 5 sets for the 4 diagrams so barring any other work or failures nearer the time they should be able to be covered.

Essentially Crewe can only take 4 sets, HD03, 05 and 06 are already there on exams so if HD02 went there too it would mean all 4 Mk4 "slots" were taken and no diagrams could start or finish there until 1 was released. Its run out of days until its exam is due so putting it out the way at Holyhead until its time comes allows better rotation on the serviceable sets as no depots will become overloaded. I'd expect it to be there until HD06 is almost complete but dependant how much work its TO requires there's a possibility it will end up leapfrogged by HD04 as that will be due exam in around 15 days so the timing of it may see that happen, especially as HD02 has been quite troublesome recently

Makes sense, thanks!

 

[Welshguy1048]

Will likely be another short term decline in availability in the coming days with sets coming up for exams and the same backlog that happened a few weeks back.

Current set status is:
HD01+67029- Spare at Canton with 67029, loco swap for 67008 on Sunday due to 029 having limited mileage before due a bogie overhaul.

HD02+67008- Will work 1W96 tonight then enter temporary storage at Holyhead, 67008 will come off the set to go light to Crewe tomorrow to go onto HD01.


HD03+67015- On A exam at Crewe

HD04+67025- In service as the only 4 car now being used. As it was scheduled to be the first 5 car but missed out its now at the back of the queue and is fresh off A exam.

HD05+67006- At Crewe, still on exam and still formed 4 car but will be reformed before entering service.

HD06+67010- Finishes Crewe tonight and will then stop for B exam and 5 car

HD07+ 67022- In service.

Should be 3 diagrams on Saturday (both Cardiff starts and 1 from Crewe, 1 on Sunday-the Cardiff start, 2 and a half diagrams on Monday (1V31, 1V91, 1W55, 1V42, 1W23 subbed with a unit on Monday). HD03 should then re-enter service on Tuesday enabling 4 diagrams again but with only 4 available sets that does require 100% availability of those.

Hi @sd0733 Is 67008 still due to go light loco from Holyhead to Crewe today? - no path in as yet..

 

[sd0733]

Hi @sd0733 Is 67008 still due to go light loco from Holyhead to Crewe today? - no path in as yet..

It's hoped to but it depends on Crew availability to get it there. Its certainly hoped so or else HD01 is unlikely to be able to run on Monday.

 

[Welshguy1048]

It's hoped to but it depends on Crew availability to get it there. Its certainly hoped so or else HD01 is unlikely to be able to run on Monday.

Okay.

Thanks

Dave

 

[Jez]

Will likely be another short term decline in availability in the coming days with sets coming up for exams and the same backlog that happened a few weeks back.

Current set status is:
HD01+67029- Spare at Canton with 67029, loco swap for 67008 on Sunday due to 029 having limited mileage before due a bogie overhaul.

HD02+67008- Will work 1W96 tonight then enter temporary storage at Holyhead, 67008 will come off the set to go light to Crewe tomorrow to go onto HD01.


HD03+67015- On A exam at Crewe

HD04+67025- In service as the only 4 car now being used. As it was scheduled to be the first 5 car but missed out its now at the back of the queue and is fresh off A exam.

HD05+67006- At Crewe, still on exam and still formed 4 car but will be reformed before entering service.

HD06+67010- Finishes Crewe tonight and will then stop for B exam and 5 car

HD07+ 67022- In service.

Should be 3 diagrams on Saturday (both Cardiff starts and 1 from Crewe, 1 on Sunday-the Cardiff start, 2 and a half diagrams on Monday (1V31, 1V91, 1W55, 1V42, 1W23 subbed with a unit on Monday). HD03 should then re-enter service on Tuesday enabling 4 diagrams again but with only 4 available sets that does require 100% availability of those.

Thanks for the update. Sounds like i timed my journey on the MK4 at just the right time then.

I see the 0627, 1230 and 1430 from Manchester all subbed today whilst the 1030 and 1830 will run as MK4 when these 2 are usually subbed on weekdays.

 

[sd0733]

Thanks for the update. Sounds like i timed my journey on the MK4 at just the right time then.

I see the 0627, 1230 and 1430 from Manchester all subbed today whilst the 1030 and 1830 will run as MK4 when these 2 are usually subbed on weekdays.

Yes!

Those were pre-planned today as HD06 which would normally form them off Crewe now stopped for exam and 5 car.

The diagrams are different on a Saturday with 2 Cardiff starts so a Saturday is the only day the 1030 and 1830 are currently diagrammed Mk4.

 

[BillStampy]

Accidently was in wrong forum, also why is HD07 on Swansea for the 3rd day in a row?

Another thing, HD01 is heading out of Canton now, just saw it on 197118. 67029 is meant to be removed from it soon for 008 correct?

 

[Plodster]

67008 came off HD02 last night.
It’s now on its way from Holyhead to Crewe.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:51037/2024-02-24/detailed

 

[sd0733]

Accidently was in wrong forum, also why is HD07 on Swansea for the 3rd day in a row?

Another thing, HD01 is heading out of Canton now, just saw it on 197118. 67029 is meant to be removed from it soon for 008 correct?

HD07 swapped diagrams with HD02 yesterday to allow 02 to finish in Holyhead for storage awaiting exam. The weekend diagrams are out and back to the same place too which is why it's done a run of the same.

Yes, 029 is coming off and 008 is on its way to replace it, see above post from Plodster with the path.

 

[170UTD]

What's the maximum speed the loco hauled services can get up to on the marches? I think it's 85 but could be wrong? Just need the info for a video I'm working on. Thanks in advance.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

What's the maximum speed the loco hauled services can get up to on the marches? I think it's 85 but could be wrong? Just need the info for a video I'm working on. Thanks in advance.

90. Sections south of Hereford.

 

[Welshguy1048]

24/02/24 - Class 67 - 67008 - Light Locomotive - Holyhead Car M.D. to Crewe C.S..

 

[Jez]

90. Sections south of Hereford.

How about between Crewe and Manchester? The 197s can go 100mph between Crewe and Wilmslow I believe but unsure what the top speed of the MK4 is?

 

[jfollows]

How about between Crewe and Manchester? The 197s can go 100mph between Crewe and Wilmslow I believe but unsure what the top speed of the MK4 is?

110mph for most of the route Crewe-Stockport, both line speed and train speed (the Mark 4s), but presumably acceleration rate will have more of an effect than maximum speed given that they all stop (and frequently terminate) at Wilmslow.
Say 14 miles at 110mph rather than 100mph will save 45 seconds ignoring the need to slow for Wilmslow before the 110 goes down to 100.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

How about between Crewe and Manchester? The 197s can go 100mph between Crewe and Wilmslow I believe but unsure what the top speed of the MK4 is?

110mph for most of the route Crewe-Stockport, both line speed and train speed (the Mark 4s), but presumably acceleration rate will have more of an effect than maximum speed given that they all stop (and frequently terminate) at Wilmslow.
Say 14 miles at 110mph rather than 100mph will save 45 seconds ignoring the need to slow for Wilmslow before the 110 goes down to 100.

The person I was replying to was asking about the Marches. Crewe-Manchester isn't part of the Marches.

 

[jfollows]

The person I was replying to was asking about the Marches. Crewe-Manchester isn't part of the Marches.

The person I was replying to was asking about Crewe-Wilmslow.

 

[Jez]

The person I was replying to was asking about the Marches. Crewe-Manchester isn't part of the Marches.

I know, i just wondered if you knew the top speed for Crewe-Manchester MK4.

110mph for most of the route Crewe-Stockport, both line speed and train speed (the Mark 4s), but presumably acceleration rate will have more of an effect than maximum speed given that they all stop (and frequently terminate) at Wilmslow.
Say 14 miles at 110mph rather than 100mph will save 45 seconds ignoring the need to slow for Wilmslow before the 110 goes down to 100.

Thank you. Could be why the 197s seem to do better with the faster acceleration.