Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

[LNW-GW Joint]

90. Sections south of Hereford.

South of Ludlow actually, and there are bits of 90 from Craven Arms southbound.
Also Crewe-Manchester (110 Sandbach-Cheadle Hulme), and most of Shrewsbury-Gobowen and bits of Rossett-Saltney Jn.
Some short 90 sections on the North Wales coast between Connah's Quay and Bangor (typically not through stations).
90 is quite hard to reach on much of the signed route in North Wales with the stopping patterns and frequent dips in line speed.
The biggest difference with the MU speed profile used by 197s is between Shrewsbury and Nantwich which is mostly 70/90MU.
A non-stop LHCS service will lose about 6 minutes against a 197 on that stretch, but gain a bit on the run on to Wilmslow.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

South of Ludlow actually, and there are bits of 90 from Craven Arms southbound.
Also Crewe-Manchester (110 Sandbach-Cheadle Hulme), and most of Shrewsbury-Gobowen and bits of Rossett-Saltney Jn.
Some short 90 sections on the North Wales coast between Connah's Quay and Bangor (typically not through stations).
90 is quite hard to reach on much of the signed route in North Wales with the stopping patterns and frequent dips in line speed.
The biggest difference with the MU speed profile used by 197s is between Shrewsbury and Nantwich which is mostly 70/90MU.
A non-stop LHCS service will lose about 6 minutes against a 197 on that stretch, but gain a bit on the run on to Wilmslow.

I'd forgotten that Leominster all the way to nearly Ludlow is 90.

 

[mgood]

Where would I be able to find the timetabled loco hauled weekday services from Shrewsbury to Cardiff and return ?

Thanks

 

[Newp410]

South of Ludlow actually, and there are bits of 90 from Craven Arms southbound.
Also Crewe-Manchester (110 Sandbach-Cheadle Hulme), and most of Shrewsbury-Gobowen and bits of Rossett-Saltney Jn.
Some short 90 sections on the North Wales coast between Connah's Quay and Bangor (typically not through stations).
90 is quite hard to reach on much of the signed route in North Wales with the stopping patterns and frequent dips in line speed.
The biggest difference with the MU speed profile used by 197s is between Shrewsbury and Nantwich which is mostly 70/90MU.
A non-stop LHCS service will lose about 6 minutes against a 197 on that stretch, but gain a bit on the run on to Wilmslow.

From April they will also be able to run at 90 between Shrewsbury and Crewe.

 

[sd0733]

We're would I be able to find the timetabled loco hauled weekday services from Shrewsbury to Cardiff and return ?

Thanks

Most reliable are the 0746, 0807, 1544, 1744 from Shrewsbury and 0435, 1052, 1249, 1714, 1855 from Cardiff. Not guaranteed but these would give a decent chance and are covered more often than not.

The 0531 and 1344 from Shrewsbury and 0849 and 1649 from Cardiff are also booked but thats the first diagram to be taken out if there's a shortage.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

From April they will also be able to run at 90 between Shrewsbury and Crewe.

Is that after some track work was done, or is it just a reassessment of the speed limits?
I seem to remember that 175s, like 185s, originally didn't qualify for MU speeds, but that quickly changed when ATW took them on.

 

[BillStampy]

It isn't looking good for tomorrow's diagrams... We have apparently got 2 150's allocated. The Crewe and Holyhead starts (only because HD02 is out for an storage before an exam and 67008 is now on HD01)

 

[mgood]

Most reliable are the 0746, 0807, 1544, 1744 from Shrewsbury and 0435, 1052, 1249, 1714, 1855 from Cardiff. Not guaranteed but these would give a decent chance and are covered more often than not.

The 0531 and 1344 from Shrewsbury and 0849 and 1649 from Cardiff are also booked but thats the first diagram to be taken out if there's a shortage.

Hi, many thanks that's very helpful - also worked out that the TfW timetable shows which trains have First Class (which I assume means that they will be loco hauled). Can I ask if the 0944 from Shrewsbury is still loco hauled or is that an error in the timetable ?

Thanks

 

[sd0733]

Hi, many thanks that's very helpful - also worked out that the TfW timetable shows which trains have First Class (which I assume means that they will be loco hauled). Can I ask if the 0944 from Shrewsbury is still loco hauled or is that an error in the timetable ?

Thanks

Yes apologies the 0944 is, thought it looked too few heading south!

It isn't looking good for tomorrow's diagrams... We have apparently got 2 150's allocated. The Crewe and Holyhead starts (only because HD02 is out for an storage before an exam and 67008 is now on HD01)

Tomorrow was always going to be short. There's only HD01 and HD07 in position at Crewe and Canton to take on diagrams from the start, HD04 Will then come off Canton for either the 0849 or 1052 so that it's in Crewe and alongside HD03 will form the 2 Crewe starts on Tuesday alongside HD01 from Cardiff and HD07 from Holyhead so 4 diagrams with the 4 serviceable sets can run on Tuesday.
HD04 will be due a loco exam Thursday but other than that I believe it's planned to run the 4 diagrams all week with 4 sets but will require 100% availability

 

[Jez]

I see one of the MK4 diagrams is being covered by a single 150 today - the one that starts at Holyhead at 0530 and ends up doing 1855 Cardiff-Manchester this evening.

There seem to be a couple of other 150s being used on Manchester-South Wales today too.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

I see one of the MK4 diagrams is being covered by a single 150 today - the one that starts at Holyhead at 0530 and ends up doing 1855 Cardiff-Manchester this evening.

There seem to be a couple of other 150s being used on Manchester-South Wales today too.

There should be a set coming out to take over from 150285 on that diagram (CF901)

 

[sd0733]

There should be a set coming out to take over from 150285 on that diagram (CF901)

HD04 looks to be going onto the other missing diagram today starting with the 08:49 from Cardiff. The main aim was to position it at Crewe for tomorrow which either diagram does.

 

[03_179]

Morning all,

I am considering a trip to try for a a 67 on Friday 29th March 2024 (Good Friday)

Would either of these two services be 67s:
1W16 Newport to Manchester
or
1W57 Newport to Manchester


What are the most likely 67s diagrams for that date?

If there is more than one out I might be able to, with a bit more careful planning, get more then one on the day.

Thanks in advance,

 

[victormildrew]

From April they will also be able to run at 90 between Shrewsbury and Crewe.

90mph all lines from Shrewsbury/to Shrewsbury, accept the snails pace Shrewsbury - Wolverhampton 70mph line.

 

[MP393]

Morning all,

I am considering a trip to try for a a 67 on Friday 29th March 2024 (Good Friday)

Would either of these two services be 67s:
1W16 Newport to Manchester
or
1W57 Newport to Manchester


What are the most likely 67s diagrams for that date?

If there is more than one out I might be able to, with a bit more careful planning, get more then one on the day.

Thanks in advance,

1W16 is definitely a unit, booked 197, as it comes from Milford Haven.

1W57 is a Loco diagram. It’s a pretty reliable diagram too in comparison to others, but I’m sure @sd0733 will update with exams/sets out for work closer to the time. In terms of planning though, if you want a Loco, plan for W57.

 

[03_179]

1W16 is definitely a unit, booked 197, as it comes from Milford Haven.

1W57 is a Loco diagram. It’s a pretty reliable diagram too in comparison to others, but I’m sure @sd0733 will update with exams/sets out for work closer to the time. In terms of planning though, if you want a Loco, plan for W57.

Thanks,
Option 1: London - Newport - Manchester - Sheffield - London
Option 2: The reverse of the above (just working some times now for this one)

 

[50002Superb]

Thanks,
Option 1: London - Newport - Manchester - Sheffield - London
Option 2: The reverse of the above (just working some times now for this one)

Sounds expensive!

 

[03_179]

Sounds expensive!

Nope

 

[ATP]

Unsure if I was seeing things but it seemed the 0830 from Manchester was 2x67s top and tailing? I saw it leaving Cardiff Central the rear was definitely a red DB 67 but I could’ve sworn leading was the plain grey 67 a la 67014?

 

[Western 52]

Unsure if I was seeing things but it seemed the 0830 from Manchester was 2x67s top and tailing? I saw it leaving Cardiff Central the rear was definitely a red DB 67 but I could’ve sworn leading was the plain grey 67 a la 67014?

Just 67015 according to RTT.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Unsure if I was seeing things but it seemed the 0830 from Manchester was 2x67s top and tailing? I saw it leaving Cardiff Central the rear was definitely a red DB 67 but I could’ve sworn leading was the plain grey 67 a la 67014?

82216 at the front. Grey/Red DVT.

 

[BillStampy]

Seems that 1V50 has been cancelled! This'll mess with the diagrams tomorrow correct? Also could I know which set is due to operate 1V50 tomorrow as I might try take a look at it tomorrow.

 

[sd0733]

Seems that 1V50 has been cancelled! This'll mess with the diagrams tomorrow correct? Also could I know which set is due to operate 1V50 tomorrow as I might try take a look at it tomtomorrow

Yes as there's no set at Canton now to start the diagram, hopefully it'll be able to swap back on either directly or via a bit of swapping when one passes through Crewe.

That diagram tomorrow was planned 67008+HD01

 

[BillStampy]

Yes as there's no set at Canton now to start the diagram, hopefully it'll be able to swap back on either directly or via a bit of swapping when one passes through Crewe.

That diagram tomorrow was planned 67008+HD01

Seems the diagram has been swapped off for 197008 to keep HD01 in Canton. As you said it may just swap back onto 1V50 again tomorrow as a replacement for the Crewe start that HD01 was supposed to do

 

[sd0733]

Seems the diagram has been swapped off for 197008 to keep HD01 in Canton. As you said it may just swap back onto 1V50 again tomorrow as a replacement for the Crewe start that HD01 was supposed to do

Sensible planning that swapping HD01 for HD07, its now planned for 1V33/1W19/1V50 again so enables 4 diagrams to run again tomorrow.

67014 is now out again too after yet another test run today to iron out its rather keen fire bells so it's also out tomorrow on HD04 and 67013 is back now after several months out, its powering HD05 at Crewe to finish its very long winded exam.

 

[JakeMurphy]

Sensible planning that swapping HD01 for HD07, its now planned for 1V33/1W19/1V50 again so enables 4 diagrams to run again tomorrow.

67014 is now out again too after yet another test run today to iron out its rather keen fire bells so it's also out tomorrow on HD04 and 67013 is back now after several months out, its powering HD05 at Crewe to finish its very long winded exam.

When are we expecting HD02 back?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

When are we expecting HD02 back?

It needs an exam and Crewe is full at the moment, I imagine it will move to Crewe once HD05, maybe 06 too, are out, so there is space for it.

 

[sd0733]

When are we expecting HD02 back?

A while I'd say, as an estimate at least 4 weeks before it's in service again.

HD05 is back out tomorrow after it's exam but believe its still a 4 car. Not entirely sure why.

HD06 is currently en-route Crewe-Chester-Shrewsbury-Crewe to turn it round ready for insertion of its TO.

 

[Anonymous10]

A while I'd say, as an estimate at least 4 weeks before it's in service again.

HD05 is back out tomorrow after it's exam but believe its still a 4 car. Not entirely sure why.

HD06 is currently en-route Crewe-Chester-Shrewsbury-Crewe to turn it round ready for insertion of its TO.

Maybe the intermediate to coach needs further work before it's ready for installation?

 

[sd0733]

Maybe the intermediate to coach needs further work before it's ready for installation?

Yes it's that but unsure what the exact issue is, makes sense though to get it back in traffic even as a 4 car.

Over the weekend tomorrow has 3 diagrams, the ones planned substitutions Will be:
04:35 and 12:52 Cardiff to Manchester, 08:30 Manchester to Cardiff, 16:30 Manchester to Swansea, everything else should run using HD01/04/05.
Sunday has no Mk4 diagrams as there's engineering work between Bridgend and Swansea