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BillStampy
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HD06 had a problem with the brakes, now en-route to Crewe. Probably not going to swap back on later on 1V50?
BillStampy
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HD06 brake problem, diagram lost, 1W59 and 1V54 tomorrow aren't MK4, Standard Only Seating apparently. Also, is there meant to be a set on 1V70 on Sunday? Thanks in advance.
It's actually swapping back this week so the 18:30 is once again booked a Mk4 from tomorrow, swapped with the 16:30 which is now booked a 197.
Not sure what's happening with HD02 its sat loco less for over a week now after it's tyre turn, Still never been used as a 5 car.
Correct, I'm wrong, looked at the wrong week
. Booked 197 on 12:52 from Cardiff/16:30 from Manchester with the Mk4 reverting to 14:49 from Cardiff/18:30 From ManchesterNot sure what the plan now is for tomorrow with HD06 ending up in Crewe not Cardiff. Potentially 2 sets off Crewe and 0 off Cardiff, not totally sure yet.
1V70 in Sun is/was pencilled in for 67008+HD06 after a loco swap Saturday night. Obviously depends how HD06 gets on between now and then.
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Thats good news if the 1830 is again a Mk4 tomorrow (pending other events of course) as that's likely my train out of Piccadilly.It's actually swapping back this week so the 18:30 is once again booked a Mk4 from tomorrow, swapped with the 16:30 which is now booked a 197.
Not sure what's happening with HD02 its sat loco less for over a week now after it's tyre turn, Still never been used as a 5 car.
Correct, I'm wrong, looked at the wrong week
Not sure what the plan now is for tomorrow with HD06 ending up in Crewe not Cardiff. Potentially 2 sets off Crewe and 0 off Cardiff, not totally sure yet.
In theory should be 67012+HD03 as it stands, pending any swaps.
BillStampy
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as said by sd0733, hopefully! HD03 was the most recent set I've been on, all I have to do now is find an Ex-Central set in First Class to complete the full set of all 4 styles, Standard and First in both types. Hope you have a good journey if you get on the set!
Looks as if there'll only be a dismal 1 diagram tomorrow.
67012+HD03 on
04:54 Crewe to Cardiff
14:53 Cardiff to Manchester
18:30 Manchester to Cardiff
Seems likely to be it with HD06 sidelined at Crewe and no sets finishing at Canton tonight.
67012+HD03 on
04:54 Crewe to Cardiff
14:53 Cardiff to Manchester
18:30 Manchester to Cardiff
Seems likely to be it with HD06 sidelined at Crewe and no sets finishing at Canton tonight.
Correct me if im wrong but apart from Monday have all 4 MK4 diagrams been covered this week? Not including the Swansea starter of course which is booked 197. Quite good progress considering there were several days recently there were 3 of the 4 booked diagrams.
Oh dear. So we have gone from both Swansea services running to neither of them!
One was lost on Tuesday too with HD01 not going out. Don't believe it was a set fault that actually caused that though.
With only 4 sets available for use at the moment its not been too bad though other than tomorrow! Hopefully tomorrow is a blip as its been a long time since only 1 ran.
Thanks for confirming that. I hadnt checked RTT in great detail much this week aside from today.
Yes not too bad this week. And hopefully 197s will cover the missing ones tomorrow rather than 150s!
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Unfortunately that hasn't made it out either, failed freight last night saw it back at the depot 3 and a half hours late at 03:15 so no time to get it fuelled and ready for the morning. So 1 became 0.
Hopefully it's able to get swapped In later to get a set to Cardiff for Tomorrow
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Hope so. My 1830 from Piccadilly later will be cosy on a 2-car otherwise.
You are in luck (if you could really call it that) it’s currently booked a 3 car 197. 197101 to be exact.
Must be being swapped later from the 2-car then. Fingers crossed.
BillStampy
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Now back to 2-car, 197017 1830 ex Man, 101 1630 ex Man.
If HD03 doesn't come out of Crewe today (I suppose it will), will it change diagrams, or are we still waiting for the locomotive swap on HD06?
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5Z67 just departed Crewe for Cardiff, 1145 Sat 27/4. Class 67 on rear.
The list on X (twitter) of no first class services looks rather long today as expected with 10 services listed as not having first class. I feel sorry for any passengers that booked first class tickets and were looking forward to the service as it is excellent. So what do the catering staff/chefs do for the day now there is no first service?
Also seen a few photos/complaints about 2 car services both in the north and south end of the Swansea-Manchester route.
Also seen a few photos/complaints about 2 car services both in the north and south end of the Swansea-Manchester route.
I'm a big fan of the comfort and on board service on the Mk4s. But how long are TFW going to continue with their eyes closed that they just are not a reliable part of the fleet?
Has there actually been a time since their introduction where they have managed a full week with all planned sets in service? The only saving grace is there seems to be more consistency in them being replaced by a 197 rather than 153's.
According to this forum, there's been modifications, reliability improvement programs, lengthening to 5 coaches and various other projects, yet I see no improvement in their reliability.
Has there actually been a time since their introduction where they have managed a full week with all planned sets in service? The only saving grace is there seems to be more consistency in them being replaced by a 197 rather than 153's.
According to this forum, there's been modifications, reliability improvement programs, lengthening to 5 coaches and various other projects, yet I see no improvement in their reliability.
pokemonsuper9
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I think they travel with the catering trolley, I think it was mentioned somewhere upthread that there can be 3 or 4 people staffing the trolley on Mk4 substitutions.
They seemed to be making improvements recently but every so often there seems to be a few weeks where availability is very poor.
Unless im in first class I personally prefer a 197 anyway and wish they had just ordered more 197s and had a proper first class carriage in the ones going from Swansea-Manchester.
And definately good to see far less Sprinters covering. I dont mind a 158 and even a pair of 153s isnt too bad. The 150s are dreadful.
Ok thanks.
BillStampy
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Moving South for 1W56 tomorrow. Hopefully HD06 is okay for tomorrow too.
There have been lots of bits and pieces going on and they've made a big difference, today is woeful yes but up until today they've been behaving for quite a while with almost everything that's actually planned to run running.
Today was always expected to be bad due to where things fell in the exam cycle (not as bad as it has ended up admittedly).
Most of the problems are still created by how long exams take along with the 5car, losing sets for months on end wasn't anticipated, such as HD02 hasn't seen service for about 2 months, with HD04 and 05 out too its a tall order to keep 4 diagrams with 4 sets as they still Need maintenance and exams too.
There's another 67 on its way with 67016 now modified and at Toton for repainting and load bank testing.
As has been covered god knows how May times, it will keep going for quite some time yet.
Obviously, to anyone not putting their head in the sand, there have been massive improvement compared to where it was at, BUT there’s still a huge way to go.
BillStampy
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HD03 is heading South to take on 1W61, admittedly a little late due to Shrewsbury delays of some sort, but still, atleast we won't go a full day with 0 sets. (it should be HD03 as HD02 on Canton still has no loco)
Do you think the rest of the fleet are reliable then? There are plenty of issues with the 197s etc too, its just that's easily missed.
Anyway, 1W61 is now allocated as 67012 + HD03
The 197s certainly have many many issues with masses of shortforms and faults but does seem to go under the radar somewhat. They have their pros but certainly cons too.
At least ones made it and gets it in place for tomorrow too.
Whether they are failing, having exams or Depots can't accommodate them it's still not great from a passenger experience point of view. Ultimately damaging reputation.
These are the TFW's Twitter posts about No First Class available in the past two weeks:
15th April - 1 service
18th April - 4 services
20th April - 4 services
22nd April - 4 services
23rd April - 3 services
24th April - 1 services
27th April - 10 services (partly due to failed freight 26th April)
That's 27 services in two weeks
Also from the past two weeks in this forum it seems there's also been failures which the Twitter team wouldn't haven't published updated formation changes for. So wherever in the day they have failed have left the remaining services short formed without First.
17th April - HD06 67013 failed before departure
17th April - HD07 67025 failed at Yorton
18th April - HD06 67013 failed near Crewe
21st April - HD06 failed on Depot
26th April - HD06 67013 failed with brake problem
The difference with the Mk4's is people are people for a superior product, and not getting it. In every day life, would you be happy when you don't get the product that you were paying for?
I've travelled on Mk4's many times, including in First. It's a great product, but for it to succeed it has to be consistent and reliable.
These are the TFW's Twitter posts about No First Class available in the past two weeks:
15th April - 1 service
18th April - 4 services
20th April - 4 services
22nd April - 4 services
23rd April - 3 services
24th April - 1 services
27th April - 10 services (partly due to failed freight 26th April)
That's 27 services in two weeks
Also from the past two weeks in this forum it seems there's also been failures which the Twitter team wouldn't haven't published updated formation changes for. So wherever in the day they have failed have left the remaining services short formed without First.
17th April - HD06 67013 failed before departure
17th April - HD07 67025 failed at Yorton
18th April - HD06 67013 failed near Crewe
21st April - HD06 failed on Depot
26th April - HD06 67013 failed with brake problem
Definitely not, I've not heard great things about the 197 reliability, but there's enough in the fleet to mitigate the effect.
The difference with the Mk4's is people are people for a superior product, and not getting it. In every day life, would you be happy when you don't get the product that you were paying for?
I've travelled on Mk4's many times, including in First. It's a great product, but for it to succeed it has to be consistent and reliable.