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Free travel arrangements for staff on different TOCs.

RPI

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Further to the comments above, if a monthly season ticket (7-day seasons are not allowed at Priv rate) doesn't look the best value, you do have the option of a Flexi-season. If you want that you either need a TOC smartcard to buy it at a station or a RSTL smartcard so that you can buy online, with the latter option giving much more flexibility.
Beat me to it, I generally buy one of these as I drive sometimes, the priv rate Flexi basically allows you the price of the priv day return, but available for residential travel - which obviously a priv day return isn't valid if going to or from work.
 
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Beat me to it, I generally buy one of these as I drive sometimes, the priv rate Flexi basically allows you the price of the priv day return, but available for residential travel - which obviously a priv day return isn't valid if going to or from work.
One of the few good things about Flexi-seasons is that staff can get them at Priv rate! Even if you're not using all 8 days it's a very big saving over a few Anytime Day Returns at public rate (saving in 2 days for me!).
 

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A discounted season ticket, known as "residential" travel. You need to submit form number XX01 here and get approval from RSTL. In the form, you can choose whether you want to buy the season ticket via RST Online or at a ticket office.

If you choose to buy it via RST Online, you can renew your season ticket online without having to fill in form XX01 again. If you choose to buy it at a ticket office, you'll have to fill in form XX01 and wait for the approval to come through, each time you renew your season ticket.

Beat me to it, I generally buy one of these as I drive sometimes, the priv rate Flexi basically allows you the price of the priv day return, but available for residential travel - which obviously a priv day return isn't valid if going to or from work.
Some different options to look into to here.

I'm in a similar situation but I won't need to use the rail everyday. As the particular TOC do not run early enough on some days.

Would I be correct In saying the 2nd option which has-been presented by you guys today is the best. ?

The 'priv-rate' flexi season.

And I need to purchase a smart card before I can buy it. ?

Is it just a case of it being cheaper than the other option, the monthly season ticket?

Thanks
 
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And I need to purchase a smart card before I can buy it. ?
You do not purchase a smartcard, they are free of charge and I would recommend getting one of the RSTL smartcards as that gives you far greater flexibility over buying a Flexi-season, with no requirement to submit a paper request 7 days in advance.
Is it just a case of it being cheaper than the other option, the monthly season ticket?
A Flexi-season gives you 8 days travel within a 28 day period. It is, obviously, somewhat cheaper than a monthly season which gives you the full month of travel. The Flexi-season is best loaded onto a smartcard, which you need to activate each day before you use it - if your starting station has barriers it will activate at the barrier. Ultimately, it's about convenience and not spending money you don't need to. It's a happy medium between a Priv-rate monthly season and public rate day tickets.
 

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Thanks all. Some great options to look into to.

I'm in a similar situation that I won't need to use the rail everyday. As the particular TOC do not run early enough on some days.

So would I be correct In saying the 2nd option which has-been presented to me by you guys today is the best. ?

The 'priv-rate' flexi season.
It would certainly be a good option under those circumstances. However, depending on your age and the time your shifts start/end, you might be able to get a discount off the public fare - possibly even an Off-Peak fare, depending on the time of day - using Railcards.

Since season tickets are priced based on Anytime fares, you may find that Railcard discounted Off-Peak fares aren't a huge amount more expensive than a Priv-discounted Flexi Season. It's worth doing the sums to work out what your best option is.

And I need to purchase a smart card before I can buy it. ?
You don't pay for it (it's free) but yes, you need one if you want to buy the Flexi Season through RST Online.

Is it just a case of it being cheaper than the other option, the monthly season ticket?

Thanks
It's more expensive per day than a monthly season ticket, sometimes substantially so - it varies depending on the journey.

The default cost of a Flexi Season, which covers 8 days, is 7× the cost of an Anytime (Day) Return - so you effectively get a 12.5% discount (plus the Priv discount). However the cost is also linked to the cost of a weekly/monthly season ticket, both in terms of the maximum and minimum discount offered; see my post from 2021 analysing the pricing.

If you only need a ticket 2 days a week for example, then the likelihood is that it will work out cheaper overall. But you'll have to do the sums to work out which exactly option works out cheapest.
 

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you need one if you want to buy the Flexi Season through RST Online.
You need one if you want to buy a Flexi-season at a station as well.
If you only need a ticket 2 days a week for example, then the likelihood is that it will work out cheaper overall. But you'll have to do the sums to work out which exactly option works out cheapest.
Even for less than that it may be the cheapest option, compared with public rate day tickets.
 

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On Northerns careers site they use the following wording for the 75% off other TOCs

  • 75% discount with other Train Operating Companies - after 1 year with us, you’ll also get discounted travel on many other rail services in the UK and Europe.
Does anyone know if that means you have to do a full years service at Northern before you get your PRIV pass?

Seems odd compared with other TOCs?
 

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On Northerns careers site they use the following wording for the 75% off other TOCs

  • 75% discount with other Train Operating Companies - after 1 year with us, you’ll also get discounted travel on many other rail services in the UK and Europe.
Does anyone know if that means you have to do a full years service at Northern before you get your PRIV pass?

Seems odd compared with other TOCs?

No, it means you get FIP after 12 months service.
 

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Has anyone heard anything about any changes that may be made to this system in the near future once the "re-nationalisation" process begins?

i.e. SWR is about to cease to be a FirstGroup TOC, will they carry on getting FirstGroup reciprocal travel (and GWR with SWR etc) until this process has ended and/or is there a new replacement system in the works for when everything's back under government ownership?
 

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Has anyone heard anything about any changes that may be made to this system in the near future once the "re-nationalisation" process begins?

i.e. SWR is about to cease to be a FirstGroup TOC, will they carry on getting FirstGroup reciprocal travel (and GWR with SWR etc) until this process has ended and/or is there a new replacement system in the works for when everything's back under government ownership?
We have always lost reciprocal travel in the past.
 

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Has anyone heard anything about any changes that may be made to this system in the near future once the "re-nationalisation" process begins?

i.e. SWR is about to cease to be a FirstGroup TOC, will they carry on getting FirstGroup reciprocal travel (and GWR with SWR etc) until this process has ended and/or is there a new replacement system in the works for when everything's back under government ownership?
To the best of my knowledge, there’s been no information from RSTL regarding ongoing developments as these companies are taken back. Whether the individual companies, within a specific owning group, retain reciprocal arrangements until the whole process is completed isn't clear. Then again, the whole transition to 'whatever we're called this week' railways is far from complete.
 

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You can bet that any company that gets renationalised will lose any reciprocal travel with their former operator and will not get reciprocal travel with any other renationalised franchise.
I will also stick my neck out to say that the PRIV and FIP facilities will be at threat in the next few years as the Government sees how much costs to implement them.
The Unions should be keeping a close eye over them in the near future.
 

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As someone who has transferred into DfTO, I can confirm:

You loose your First Group (or other owning group) passes and boxes and other benefits such as Friends and Family tickets, on the date of transfer, and get a strict letter saying that if you use your passes or boxes, even if dated to expire beyond the handover date, after the date of transfer then you could be subject to disciplinary action.

There is no DfTO reciprocal travel arrangements between other DfTO TOCS. So far, I am told, that all DfTO TOCS have agreed amongst themselves that they would like to have and are willing to have such a scheme, but the DfT itself has blocked it, allegedly saying it is too expensive.

All the above being said, in some cases where there were historical agreements between TOCS for certain benefits such as free residential travel on other TOCS services, these have remained even after transfer. And if the Friends and Family tickets are TOC specific (like Northern's were) then they will almost likely stay, rather then an owning group scheme (like the First Group ones) which will disappear when the owning group does.
 
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Yep. My friend who works at SWR was rather miffed when they saw what had been proposed in the TUPE process for after the transfer later this month. I believe their specific wording included the phrase “a slap in the face, and an utter insult”.
 

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Yep. My friend who works at SWR was rather miffed when they saw what had been proposed in the TUPE process for after the transfer later this month. I believe their specific wording included the phrase “a slap in the face, and an utter insult”.
I'd be astonished if there's a TUPE process - they will still be working for the same company. It's the company that will be under new ownership.
 

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I'd be astonished if there's a TUPE process - they will still be working for the same company. It's the company that will be under new ownership.
I’m fairly certain it’s already been confirmed there’s a change from First MTR Ltd to a South Western Railway Ltd or DfT Operator Ltd, so it won’t be the same company in legal terms. A quick peek at Companies House shows the two separate entities. My legal knowledge in this realm is limited, and I am 99% sure my friend has also mentioned a consultation taking place internally. Always happy to be corrected though! I’m sure we should know more in the coming weeks.
 

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We've (at GWR) already had a briefing that from the changeover our First group "boxes" are no longer valid on SWR, along with the friends and family tickets, and the same for SWR passes etc on GWR (and other First TOC's). It was the same when TPE got Nationalised
 

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I'd be astonished if there's a TUPE process - they will still be working for the same company. It's the company that will be under new ownership.
I can confirm that there is a TUPE process when transferring from one operator to another as it is legally a separate company with a different name, so the actual employer will change.
 

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I'd be astonished if there's a TUPE process - they will still be working for the same company. It's the company that will be under new ownership.

Yes staff move under TUPE arrangements. On the surface my employer is exactly the same as it was when it was in private hands but legally speaking we moved to a new DfT company with a new legal name and the private company ceased to exist.
 

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SE and GTR have kept free travel on each others trains even after SE got nationalised and they are no longer both under Govia ownership. So it is possible. They could probably work out an agreement for SWR staff to keep First Group travel benefits and vice versa if they wanted to.
 

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SE and GTR have kept free travel on each others trains even after SE got nationalised and they are no longer both under Govia ownership. So it is possible. They could probably work out an agreement for SWR staff to keep First Group travel benefits and vice versa if they wanted to.

It might be duty and residential travel only though from now on, simply because multiple TOCs might cover some routes and it makes it easier for staff to get about.

But I am sure the unions will be seeking to ensure wider usage and acceptance akin to under British Rail.

In fact I'm sure it will be part of pay negotiations and might be a good thing to offer in lieu of a higher pay rise.
 

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And if the Friends and Family tickets are TOC specific (like Northern's were) then they will almost likely stay, rather then an owning group scheme (like the First Group ones) which will disappear when the owning group does
The proposed replacement 'Friends & Family' scheme for SWR got rejected as it's an non contractual benefit and no obligation to continue with such a scheme (based on the FAQ document which was updated earlier in the week).

Which is a bit of a shame for those staff wanting to take friends or other family members out for a day trip somewhere considering they will be going from paying ~ £6 a person (with restrictions) to full price (officially at least)
 

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