Future Golders Green depot closure?

[Mikey C]

TfL have started a consultation about the redevelopment/re-landscaping of the area outside Golders Green station, the bus station and associated shops.

In the longer term, they also seem interested in redeveloping the Northern Line depot site with housing. If this was to happen, where would a replacement (and presumably larger) depot be cited?

https://engage.barnet.gov.uk/housing-planning-and-regeneration/draft-golders-green-station-planning-brief/user_uploads/draft-golders-green-station-planning-brief-1.pdf

 

[Dstock7080]

6.2.5 any development of site b would be expected to retain the railway depot and shunting sheds as depicted in figure 9.

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[bramling]

TfL have started a consultation about the redevelopment/re-landscaping of the area outside Golders Green station, the bus station and associated shops.

In the longer term, they also seem interested in redeveloping the Northern Line depot site with housing. If this was to happen, where would a replacement (and presumably larger) depot be cited?

https://engage.barnet.gov.uk/housing-planning-and-regeneration/draft-golders-green-station-planning-brief/user_uploads/draft-golders-green-station-planning-brief-1.pdf

A lot of pages to not really say very much at all about what any redevelopment might look like.

Apart from a tidying-up of the station forecourt area, I can't really see why this site should be chosen for a comprehensive redevelopment.

Definitely no plans that I've seen for changes to the Northern Line depot. I can't see the Northern Line being able to do without it. Although there could be scope for some maintenance function transferring to Edgware or Highgate, both of which are under-used for the size, this alone would still not come close to match the capacity and capability of Golders Green, plus strategically it is necessary for a large proportion of trains to stable on the Edgware branch.

The only other potential depot site might have been the police training ground south of Colindale, but this is already being flattened for yet more dreaded housing.

 

[Mojo]

Apart from a tidying-up of the station forecourt area, I can't really see why this site should be chosen for a comprehensive redevelopment.

Probably because of the astronomical cost of housing right now. If a one bed flat (also near a LU depot in another part of London) on an estate that just four years ago you struggled to get a take away delivery to because the drivers were in fear of getting robbed is only available to those earning £75,000+ then perhaps the powers that be are quite rightly looking to make some dosh from their underused land as well as make some kind of attempt to sort things out. Although no doubt the land will be sold off at rock bottom prices like almost every other similar development.

 

[Mikey C]

6.2.5 Any development of Site B would be expected to retain the Railway Depot and Shunting Sheds as depicted in Figure 9.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5730671,-0.1927905,334m/data=!3m1!1e3

Thanks, I'm struggling to see how they could fit many houses into the LUL land around the depot and station, as it's a tiny space. And living next to the depot and railway would be a pretty undesirable location to live as well.

 

[toppington]

Thanks, I'm struggling to see how they could fit many houses into the LUL land around the depot and station, as it's a tiny space. And living next to the depot and railway would be a pretty undesirable location to live as well.

The housing would potentially be on top of the depot and therefore some of the cost of covering over would be part paid for by the developer- eg Westfield White City, above sidings there. Similar plans are also being looked at for Parsons Green on the District Line. Sadly if fares cannot be raised and the government is giving less money to TfL, the shortfall has to be found somewhere and there is a quick buck to be made in selling property. (Which no one who works in a "normal" job in London can afford!)

 

[bramling]

Probably because of the astronomical cost of housing right now. If a one bed flat (also near a LU depot in another part of London) on an estate that just four years ago you struggled to get a take away delivery to because the drivers were in fear of getting robbed is only available to those earning £75,000+ then perhaps the powers that be are quite rightly looking to make some dosh from their underused land as well as make some kind of attempt to sort things out. Although no doubt the land will be sold off at rock bottom prices like almost every other similar development.

That's understood, but this is not just a case of covering over a cutting and building a massive development. The station and depot appear to be being left untouched, so all that's left is the bus station, also to be retained in some form, and small pockets of land either side. They've also ruled out going upwards, and the whole site is constrained by a busy operational railway, conservation requirements and busy roads. Surely there are locations far more worthwhile?

Even covering over the open-air depot stabling roads would be difficult. Access would be difficult for a start, and the stabling roads are quite cramped and hemmed in, so even a high-density development would not contain that much property. This is before we get into concerns from locals, which in this area I would expect to be vociferous.

 

[Mikey C]

That's understood, but this is not just a case of covering over a cutting and building a massive development. The station and depot appear to be being left untouched, so all that's left is the bus station, also to be retained in some form, and small pockets of land either side. They've also ruled out going upwards, and the whole site is constrained by a busy operational railway, conservation requirements and busy roads. Surely there are locations far more worthwhile?

Even covering over the open-air depot stabling roads would be difficult. Access would be difficult for a start, and the stabling roads are quite cramped and hemmed in, so even a high-density development would not contain that much property. This is before we get into concerns from locals, which in this area I would expect to be vociferous.

It's a typically uninformative document really, as we are being asked to comment on something with no hard facts!

If anything, any spare land and the parade of scruffy shops by the bus station should be used to make the bus station bigger, as it struggles to cope with all the routes that terminate there (plus the National Express coaches)

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

You may be surprised how much housing they can pack into the smallest spaces these days.