Gate Types @ Train Stations

[Olpy]

Hiya, does anybody know about the train ticket gate types? Which ones have the so called 'bins' for the used train tickets after journeys?

 

[30907]

Hiya, does anybody know about the train ticket gate types? Which ones have the so called 'bins' for the used train tickets after journeys?

AFAIK all types will retain used tickets.

Perhaps you could make the question more specific.

 

[Olpy]

AFAIK all types will retain used tickets.

Perhaps you could make the question more specific.

So AFAIK is the name for all of the gates?

These have bins, I have been to London Waterloo, but I had staff open a gate at Waterloo East and it was just electronics inside.

 

[RailWonderer]

AFAIK all types will retain used tickets.

Perhaps you could make the question more specific.

Nope, the machines at Chelmsford and Ipswich do not retain any tickets, they spit them out and they are the standard type seen all over the UK and even abroad.

 

[RPI]

Nope, the machines at Chelmsford and Ipswich do not retain any tickets, they spit them out and they are the standard type seen all over the UK and even abroad.

They must be set to "accept all" then

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Can the same set of ticket gates be programmed to (both) either retain or return a given ticket, depending on the location/programming?

(Presumably any ticket gate that is capable of retaining a ticket, must have some sort of bin incorporated within it).

 

[mtmikethom]

When I worked on the London Underground I am sure we could set gates to give back tickets after use or retain them the same as we could set them to flag up certain types of ticket such as child or freedom pass ones, I suspect they all have bins and it’s down to how staff set them up on the computer

 

[Starmill]

They must be set to "accept all" then

Why? Avanti West Coast gates are set to return all tickets, but definitely don't accept all tickets.

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So AFAIK is the name for all of the gates?

These have bins, I have been to London Waterloo, but I had staff open a gate at Waterloo East and it was just electronics inside.

Those are cubic ticket gates. The other common product is S&B gates, as seen at say Manchester Victoria and Newcastle.

 

[LiftFan]

So AFAIK is the name for all of the gates?

AFAIK is an acronym for As Far As I Know

 

[plugwash]

Can the same set of ticket gates be programmed to (both) either retain or return a given ticket, depending on the location/programming?

Clearly all gates are capable of returning tickets, in addition to returning rejected tickets there are also things like season tickets that clearly must be accepted and returned.

Whether all gates have the ability to retain tickets or whether that is an optional extra I have no idea.

 

[Snow1964]

I think Waterloo might have the most types / variations

There were the chunky Underground ones originally installed in underground ticket hall, a later slimmer version in Jubilee line ticket hall, and later still more added in Bakerloo peak ticket hall and the subway converted when W&C got ticket gates.

Some of these were one directional, others double ended bi-directional gates

Then there are wide gates (originally wide wides were manually opened glass gates)

The main concourse has gates and wide gate gates, and whilst Eurostar was there they had different sort of gate line

Sorry do not know the technical names of each

 

[Mojo]

I think Waterloo might have the most types / variations

There were the chunky Underground ones originally installed in underground ticket hall, a later slimmer version in Jubilee line ticket hall, and later still more added in Bakerloo peak ticket hall and the subway converted when W&C got ticket gates.

Some of these were one directional, others double ended bi-directional gates

Then there are wide gates (originally wide wides were manually opened glass gates)

The main concourse has gates and wide gate gates, and whilst Eurostar was there they had different sort of gate line

Sorry do not know the technical names of each

London Underground call the original type of gates (installed in the late 1980s) P Gates, the P standing for pneumatic, as they are air operated. As far as I’m aware these are only on the Underground[1] and were installed only at 63 stations in the then-Central zone, and then at Brixton and Stockwell in 1991.

The other Cubic gates which are more common on LU and also NR are the E1 gates which were rolled out in the late 1990s / early 2000s and are the slightly larger ones with the flat tops and stainless steel sides, and then since (IIRC) 2004 the E2 gates which have the black plastic sloped tops.

[1] They also guarded the entrance to Kings Cross Thameslink station, what is now the (closed since the start of Covid) Pentonville Rd entrance to Kings Cross St Pancras LU.

 

[DanNCL]

The most common are the Cubic gates which are fitted at the vast majority of stations that have gates - there are a few variations of these which @Mojo has explained very well. The other ones that appear in the UK are Scheidt & Bachmann gates - the gates themselves are glass, and the metal side units have orange sloped plastic on the top. These are found at Newcastle, Darlington, Peterborough, Wakefield Westgate, Manchester Victoria, Manchester Oxford Road, Blackpool North and Bradford Interchange, as well as at all stations on the Glasgow Subway, and all gates stations on the Tyne & Wear Metro. Historically they were also fitted at Leeds (replaced by Cubic gates), and at Durham and Newark North Gate (both stations now ungated).

 

[Mojo]

There were also a small number of stations fitted with glass gates but instead of pushing forward went sideways. Not sure on the manufacturer but possibly S&B as they were quite similar to the way the S&B gates elsewhere work. These were at stations such as Portsmouth & Southsea, Southampton Ctrl, Romford and Chelmsford.

 

[DelW]

These have bins, I have been to London Waterloo, but I had staff open a gate at Waterloo East and it was just electronics inside.

Arriving at Waterloo main line, my (cardboard) tickets are returned by the gates. This is because they are normally issued to "London Terminals" and so are still valid for onward travel via Waterloo East to Charing Cross or London Bridge.

 

[Olpy]

AFAIK is an acronym for As Far As I Know

sorry my brain is not up to date

Arriving at Waterloo main line, my (cardboard) tickets are returned by the gates. This is because they are normally issued to "London Terminals" and so are still valid for onward travel via Waterloo East to Charing Cross or London Bridge.

I did get some though with the dest to 'London Terminals' from the bin.

There were also a small number of stations fitted with glass gates but instead of pushing forward went sideways. Not sure on the manufacturer but possibly S&B as they were quite similar to the way the S&B gates elsewhere work. These were at stations such as Portsmouth & Southsea, Southampton Ctrl, Romford and Chelmsford.

I have approx. 300 from Southampton Ctl. dated 28 MCH 16

When I worked on the London Underground I am sure we could set gates to give back tickets after use or retain them the same as we could set them to flag up certain types of ticket such as child or freedom pass ones, I suspect they all have bins and it’s down to how staff set them up on the computer

That might explain how I got 360 tickets back in 2017 from a London Underground worker. I did not go to the station, he gave them to me

They must be set to "accept all" then

The stations which I currently know to accept all are:
Richmond (London)
London Waterloo
Southampton Central
Kingston
Shepherds Bush (London Overground)

The stations that I believe and have checked that do not work are:
London Charing Cross
Waterloo East
Twickenham (due to new upgrade)
Feltham (due to new upgrade)

 

[DaventryRabbit]

There were also a small number of stations fitted with glass gates but instead of pushing forward went sideways. Not sure on the manufacturer but possibly S&B as they were quite similar to the way the S&B gates elsewhere work. These were at stations such as Portsmouth & Southsea, Southampton Ctrl, Romford and Chelmsford.

Seem to remember Romford had this type about 20 odd Years ago....

Seem to remember Romford had this type about 20 odd Years ago....

Seem to remember Romford had this type about 20 odd Years ago....

Edit: Sorry Romford was mentioned!!

 

[Wallsendmag]

Both Cubic and S&B gates (the only types in use on the mainline) have the ability to capture tickets. We have it turned off as it serves no purpose for us.

 

[Olpy]

Both Cubic and S&B gates (the only types in use on the mainline) have the ability to capture tickets. We have it turned off as it serves no purpose for us.

ah Thanks for sharing.

 

[skyhigh]

Historically they were also fitted at Leeds (replaced by Cubic gates)

They're still fitted on the South exit.

 

[The exile]

Both Cubic and S&B gates (the only types in use on the mainline) have the ability to capture tickets. We have it turned off as it serves no purpose for us.

Other than litter prevention …

 

[markymark2000]

Other than litter prevention …

But it does mess up things for passengers wanting to claim delay repay. It solves one issue but causes another. Difficult one.