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GDL strike: Stockholm - Berlin - Prague. What would you do?

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jamesontheroad

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Good morning!

This week I’m travelling from northern Sweden to Prague, via the Stockholm-Berlin night train, arriving Berlin on Tuesday morning.

However GDL have now confirmed strike action on Monday and Tuesday.

I can delay my arrival into Prague until midday Wednesday, so I have some options.

1) Try and find an alternative route, departing Berlin Hbf 09:00 Tuesday 24 August.

2) Catch a bus. Perhaps Flixbus, or another operator?

3) Stay in Berlin one night and travel after the strike on Wednesday.

What would you do? Give my your reasons... whether it is hatred of Flixbus, love of Berlin, passion for using only regional trains to make long distance trips, etc etc etc. Bonus points for absurd inspirations.

Thanks!

Quick PS.

All DB/ČD trains between Berlin and Prague on 24 August are showing as cancelled. But the DB/MÁV train EC379 from Kiel to Prague is showing as running but with
Berlin Hbf, Berlin Südkreuz, and Dresden-Neustadt showing as "stop cancelled". I can't make sense of this: could it be on diversion, or is the train running in two portions Kiel-Berlin and Dresden-Prague?
 
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Set off and hope for an adventure? Quite a lot of trains were running during the last strike. They might not be packed, because many people do not try to travel.

Spend some time in Berlin, visit 'Schoenberger Suedgelaende', an abandoned marshalling yard, now a park, with lots of railway artefacts, nature,wilderness, station Priesterweg or Suedkreuz, ticket €1.
Visit the English bookshop in Woerther Strasse. There was (is?) a railway bookshop too, not sure where

Travel the whole of the Berliner Aussenring, I really want to do that sometime, you need to change a few times, but passenger trains use nearly all of it.
 

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Looks as though the Prague ECs will run from Dresden, if you can get there.
Alternatively, RE2 to Cottbus and the connections onward to Zittau are run by ODEG so not affected - unfortunately there is engineering work with a RRB part way.
Zittau-Liberec-Prague would be a nice run and you might even have time for the Zittau narrow gauge (or Liberec trams) if you stop overnight.

PS no ECs to Poland according to DB.
 

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Unless you've done Berlin to death or particularly need to get to Prague that day, I'd stay the night in Berlin. Great city.
 

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Good morning!

This week I’m travelling from northern Sweden to Prague, via the Stockholm-Berlin night train, arriving Berlin on Tuesday morning.

However GDL have now confirmed strike action on Monday and Tuesday.

I can delay my arrival into Prague until midday Wednesday, so I have some options.

1) Try and find an alternative route, departing Berlin Hbf 09:00 Tuesday 24 August.

2) Catch a bus. Perhaps Flixbus, or another operator?

3) Stay in Berlin one night and travel after the strike on Wednesday.

What would you do? Give my your reasons... whether it is hatred of Flixbus, love of Berlin, passion for using only regional trains to make long distance trips, etc etc etc. Bonus points for absurd inspirations.

Thanks!
Neither! Get off in Malmö, then go to Ystad for a ferry to Swinouscie in Poland. From there you can take trains through Poland to Prague - there's a night train Warsaw-Prague (EN 407/442).

Ferry companies from Sweden to Poland:
https://polferries.com/ (Ystad - Swinouscie and Nynäshamn (Stockholm) - Gdansk)
https://www.ttline.com/en/poland-ferries/trelleborg-Swinoujscie/ (Trelleborg - Swinouscie)
https://www.stenaline.se/till-polen (Karlshamn - Gdynia)

From Swinouscie to Prague via Warsaw takes around 20-24 hours with two changes. Via Wroclaw and a ton of changes can be done in one day (13-20 hours), but that's a hassle...
From Gdynia/Gdansk it's less than 12 hours - doable in one day

Booking trains in Poland is easy and in English: https://www.intercity.pl/en/

More information on the night train here: https://www.seat61.com/international-trains/trains-from-Warsaw.htm#Warsaw_to_Prague

Use www.Bahn.de for all connections within Europe. Use via points such as Wroclaw, Warsaw or any other natural point on the way to Prague to avoid Germany.

Although the easiest is probably your option 1 and hope for the best.
 

jamesontheroad

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Thanks all for the colourful replies and helpful suggestions!

In the first few moments I decided it'd be good to have a backup plan, so for €15 I have a ticket on a RegioJet bus from Berlin to Prague later tomorrow. I hope not to use it.

Set off and hope for an adventure? Quite a lot of trains were running during the last strike. They might not be packed, because many people do not try to travel.

Spend some time in Berlin, visit 'Schoenberger Suedgelaende', an abandoned marshalling yard, now a park, with lots of railway artefacts, nature,wilderness, station Priesterweg or Suedkreuz, ticket €1.
Visit the English bookshop in Woerther Strasse. There was (is?) a railway bookshop too, not sure where

Travel the whole of the Berliner Aussenring, I really want to do that sometime, you need to change a few times, but passenger trains use nearly all of it.

Unless you've done Berlin to death or particularly need to get to Prague that day, I'd stay the night in Berlin. Great city.

My first thought was to stay the night in Berlin and travel as planned but a day later. But I'd have to justify the cost of a hotel to my employer when there is probably an alternative... but I agree, Berlin is wonderful. I have a bit more time there on my return next weekend.

Looks as though the Prague ECs will run from Dresden, if you can get there.
Alternatively, RE2 to Cottbus and the connections onward to Zittau are run by ODEG so not affected - unfortunately there is engineering work with a RRB part way.
Zittau-Liberec-Prague would be a nice run and you might even have time for the Zittau narrow gauge (or Liberec trams) if you stop overnight.

PS no ECs to Poland according to DB.

Current best guess is that I can take one of the promised two-hourly DB ersatzbus from Berlin Hbf to Dresden, and then the planned EC from there. This is desirable because I wanted to stop there anyway.

Flixbus is likely to be fully booked. Last time most non DB trains ran.
May try Praha via Poland?

Neither! Get off in Malmö, then go to Ystad for a ferry to Swinouscie in Poland. From there you can take trains through Poland to Prague - there's a night train Warsaw-Prague (EN 407/442).

Ferry companies from Sweden to Poland:
https://polferries.com/ (Ystad - Swinouscie and Nynäshamn (Stockholm) - Gdansk)
https://www.ttline.com/en/poland-ferries/trelleborg-Swinoujscie/ (Trelleborg - Swinouscie)
https://www.stenaline.se/till-polen (Karlshamn - Gdynia)

From Swinouscie to Prague via Warsaw takes around 20-24 hours with two changes. Via Wroclaw and a ton of changes can be done in one day (13-20 hours), but that's a hassle...
From Gdynia/Gdansk it's less than 12 hours - doable in one day

Booking trains in Poland is easy and in English: https://www.intercity.pl/en/

More information on the night train here: https://www.seat61.com/international-trains/trains-from-Warsaw.htm#Warsaw_to_Prague

Use www.Bahn.de for all connections within Europe. Use via points such as Wroclaw, Warsaw or any other natural point on the way to Prague to avoid Germany.

Although the easiest is probably your option 1 and hope for the best.

I like the Poland suggestion a lot! My Snälltåget ticket from Stockholm - Berlin is refundable, but because this is corporate travel I would have all manner of difficulties refunding it to me and changing to something else. However for a future trip into the continent, I like the idea of going through Poland and spending some time there.
 

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Good morning!

This week I’m travelling from northern Sweden to Prague, via the Stockholm-Berlin night train, arriving Berlin on Tuesday morning.
I have read with interest your updates on this on Twitter - thanks. Am I right in thinking you booked a whole compartment? From a video I watched about someone who took the whole trip in the other direction, am I right in thinking the cost of the trip is then in the region of EUR 300?

I am keen to do this trip, but consider the prices steep for a "private" compartment that doesn't lock from the outside and no en-suite sink or toilet. Given that until its demise I was able to travel overnight from Amsterdam to Copenhagen in a modern private compartment with toilet, sink and shower and comfy bed, for around EUR 180.

That said the presence of a restaurant until Malmö is good.

I'd be interested in hearing how it was to sleep/travel in that couchette compartment if you have time to share.
 

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Looking at their website, it seems that since they don't have any sleeping cars and don't allow sharing compartments between strangers(typically mixed gender shared in Europe), you are indeed forced to book a 6 person compartment for yourself if you travel alone and are not satisifed with a "reclining seat with pillow and blanket". This is quite surprising, since Nightjet and other operators have no problem with shared compartments under the current circumstances. I guess we can only hope this rule is rescinded in the next season.

I'm starting to understand now why they've been complaining about poor loadings...
 

jamesontheroad

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I have read with interest your updates on this on Twitter - thanks.

Thank you! For context - I used to write travelogues on other forums, and now I simply don't have the time it takes to draft, redraft and edit a long piece of prose. So I turned to Twitter, and create long threads of connected tweets in real time that describe my journey.

You can follow my journey from near Vännäs, Sweden to Prague, Czech Republic by clicking here. The first tweet will load... which was me, sitting in my car in the woods at 04:45 on Monday morning, then you just scroll down. The whole trip should be threaded from there. I tried using a clever Czech language hashtag to link them, but I screwed up the spelling several times...

Am I right in thinking you booked a whole compartment? From a video I watched about someone who took the whole trip in the other direction, am I right in thinking the cost of the trip is then in the region of EUR 300?

I am keen to do this trip, but consider the prices steep for a "private" compartment that doesn't lock from the outside and no en-suite sink or toilet. Given that until its demise I was able to travel overnight from Amsterdam to Copenhagen in a modern private compartment with toilet, sink and shower and comfy bed, for around EUR 180.

This was a business trip, and yes, my employer paid for train travel Umeå-Stockholm (corporate rate with SJ), Stockholm-Berlin (fully refundable ticket + own compartment on Snälltåget), Berlin-Dresden (DB Sparpreis) and Dresden-Praha (DB Sparpreis Europa).

At the time of booking (June), long distance trains in Sweden were still prevented from the mixing of passengers in compartments, so other than a seat, there was no shared sleeping accommodation option. I think that has now changed - but I would have refused to travel in shared accommodation anyway. The total price of the Snälltåget part of the journey was 3,499kr, about £290 or €340 ... each way. I'm returning this way next week.

Looking at their website, it seems that since they don't have any sleeping cars and don't allow sharing compartments between strangers(typically mixed gender shared in Europe), you are indeed forced to book a 6 person compartment for yourself if you travel alone and are not satisifed with a "reclining seat with pillow and blanket". This is quite surprising, since Nightjet and other operators have no problem with shared compartments under the current circumstances. I guess we can only hope this rule is rescinded in the next season.

I'm starting to understand now why they've been complaining about poor loadings...

A couple of thoughts about this. Firstly, Snälltåget know their niche, and they target it. They are well known in Sweden and less well known in Germany. I don't even think that they bother advertising in Germany. They have a very good profile selling ski trips to people in southern Sweden, especially climate conscious families with (typical for Sweden) lots of children. So this train makes the most sense and the most value if you are earning a Swedish income, are used to Swedish prices and have lots of sprogs. Fill a six berth compartment with your family (or perhaps with friends) and it's a great value way to take a ski holiday in Jämtland or (from this coming winter) Austria. Travel solo or with one other person, and it's pretty bad value.

Snälltåget have criticised the Swedish Traffic Agency's planned procurement of night trains to/from continental Europe, and have publicly stated they're not interested because they don't want to provide full service cars with sleeping compartments (sovvagnar as opposed to liggvagnar). They (think they) know what works for them, and that's a train with only couchettes and seats. That said, I've read in a Swedish source that this summer's loads to/from Hamburg and Berlin have been worse than they expected. Perhaps it is COVID, but I don't believe that. There is a good level of vaccination in Sweden and most people are desparate to travel again. It's too early to tell for sure, but it could be that they have misjudged the market for this train. They have probably underestimated the importance of younger and more budget-concious travellers. There were several groups of foreign (i.e. not Swedish) InterRailers on the platform in Malmö who were approaching the guard with inquiries about a cash upgrade to a couchette... given it took them several weeks to accept anything other than Swish (the Swedish mobile payment system) in the 'Lönnkrog' kiosk, that's probably something that I don't think Snälltåget are able to compute.

From my point of view... it's damned expensive for a dirty and old couchette car. I am unsual in that I like old fashioned trains, so I am minded to forgive them. But it will be really hard to persuade my colleagues and employees to switch from air travel to this.

That said the presence of a restaurant until Malmö is good.

I'd be interested in hearing how it was to sleep/travel in that couchette compartment if you have time to share.

Yes, and it was my first time in Krogen, which translates as "the pub". If you expect it to be like a Swedish pub, you will not be disappointed. It's not a classy restaurant car like České dráhy offer. A single employee microwaves meals, and take-out customers are expected to self-scan and pay for their purchases with Swish or card. However the card machine stopped working on the approach to Malmö and the frazzled host was struggling with lots of French and German tourists who couldn't pay for their meals. As a vegetarian, I was very happy with the one available vegan main course. It's a microwave meal and it carries the name of a Swedish chef and TV personality called Tareq Taylor, but it was very good quality.

Snällåget staff will offer to take your passport from you, and keep it locked in the conductor's compartment. If you have an EU passport, you won't need to be woken in the night. If you are non-EU (or if you decline to let them keep your passport) you will almost certainly be woken up by border police. I handed over my Irish passport and was not disturbed. I slept from just after Høje Taastrup until just before Hamburg Hbf. I cannot emphasise enough how useful the Hamburg stop is... in addition to not enduring the hot, noisy and rough sea crossing in the car deck of the Trelleborg-Sassnitz ferry, this train now has an additional connection opportunity to hundreds of cities across Europe. The 05:30 stop in Hamburg is perfect for breakfast in the excellent food court there, and then onwards to almost anywhere.
 
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Thanks a lot for the detailed reply, James.

I'm prepared to pay for a whole compartment as a one-off to do the journey.

There is no way I am sharing on a trip of about 15 hours. No privacy of course and you could be stuck with absolutely anyone, from the quiet and considerate to drunk or just annoying.

There's a good reason why European ferries stopped selling cabins sharing with strangers - in the 21st century I am pretty sure most people's expectations are just higher than 40 years ago, and they don't expect to effectively have to share a hotel room.
 
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