Getting off en route

[delsutton]

Hi,

I think I probably already know the answer is "no", but just checking If I'm travelling from Hastings to East Croydon and I want to quickly drop something off to a colleague's office in Lewes can I do this using a Hastings to E. Croydon ticket? Or do I need to get two separate ones? Thanks.

 

[PermitToTravel]

You can't if it's an advance ticket (the type only valid on a specific train - costs £5, £8, or £11 (or £3.30, £5.30, £7.25 if you have a railcard), says Advance on the top, and says BOOKDTRAINONLY in the bottom right corner).

You can otherwise

 

[delsutton]

You can't if it's an advance ticket (the type only valid on a specific train - costs £5, £8, or £11 (or £3.30, £5.30, £7.25 if you have a railcard), says Advance on the top, and says BOOKDTRAINONLY in the bottom right corner).

You can otherwise

OK cool. That's good to know. Thanks

 

[FenMan]

I would also mention that Super Off Peak Day returns priced by Southern can have a break of journey restriction on the outward leg.

This type of ticket is not available for Hastings - East Croydon, but a Super Off Peak Day Travelcard, Route: Via Haywards Heath, is available.

Looking at the restriction for this ticket, PB, I'm still not clear if outbound break of journey is permitted - it appears to contradict itself.

The reason I'm mentioning the Travelcard is that it costs £23.30, whereas a Hastings - East Croydon Off Peak Return, Route: Any Permitted, costs £28.40.

More info is here:-
http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=HGS&dest=ECR

 

[PermitToTravel]

The left-hand side pertains to restriction PB (and mentions no break of journey restrictions)
The right-hand side pertains to Super Off-Peak Day Travelcards, and says

3. BREAK OF JOURNEY:
Break of journey is allowed on Super Off-Peak Day tickets unless otherwise indicated by a restriction shown against the ticket's validity code.

delsutton does not need to worry about this. Condition 16 of the National Rail Conditions of Carriage reads:

You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However, these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited, in which case the Ticket Seller must make this clear when you buy your ticket.

 

[miami]

You may (BOJ) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you want to use.

OK

You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket.

OK

However, these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited, in which case the Ticket Seller must make this clear when you buy your ticket.

Is that some but not all types of BoJ-prohibited tickets
"some types of (tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited)"

or some types of tickets identified as those which BOJ is prohibited.
"some types of tickets (for which a break of journey is prohibited)"

The wording seems ambiguous

 

[kieron]

I would also mention that Super Off Peak Day returns priced by Southern can have a break of journey restriction on the outward leg.

This type of ticket is not available for Hastings - East Croydon, but a Super Off Peak Day Travelcard, Route: Via Haywards Heath, is available.

As is a £17.80 Hastings-Wallington super off peak day return with route "not London", which is valid via Haywards Heath, Edenbridge or Sevenoaks. It's no good if the times don't suit, though.

This also has restriction PB, which has no break of journey restriction. Super off peak day returns are also subject to these terms, which only mention break of journey in connection with cross-London legs.

While I'm sure the terms on brfares.com are from an official source, they're not something you're likely to come across when buying rail tickets, so they aren't something you have to agree to or follow.

 

[JB_B]

Southern still have this on their website

"Break of journey

When travelling with Southern on Super Off-Peak tickets, a Break of Journey is not permitted on outward or return journeys, however it is excepted [sic?] on a Southern Super Off-Peak Travelcard ticket. A ‘Break of Journey’ means exiting and re-entering an intermediate station to continue your journey on the same day after a break. Break of journey also may not be permitted when travelling with other Train Operators."

( https://www.southernrailway.com/tickets-and-fares/ticket-types/super-off-peak-tickets/ )

If it's not in the PB restriction text then presumably this limitation is just wishful thinking on the part of Southern management and unenforceable?

 

[bb21]

Is that some but not all types of BoJ-prohibited tickets
"some types of (tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited)"

or some types of tickets identified as those which BOJ is prohibited.
"some types of tickets (for which a break of journey is prohibited)"

The wording seems ambiguous

Immaterial.

The end result in either case is that you consult the restriction text.

 

[kieron]

If it's not in the PB restriction text then presumably this limitation is just wishful thinking on the part of Southern management and unenforceable?

I wouldn't count it as wishful thinking, as it has probably already persuaded some people to pay more for rail tickets than they would otherwise have done. You wouldn't see it if you didn't buy the ticket from the Southern web site, though.

I'm more intrigued by the section above it, which seems to say that a Bognor Regis-Coulsdon South super off peak return allows travel to London Victoria after 10:55 on Southern services.