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Gizzy and LittleRedTrain go to Scotland

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Back earlier this year, Shauna and I decided we would follow up last August’s ALR with another summer bash. Scotland was the chosen destination, as neither of us had much coverage there (in my case, none at all).

The plan was to travel out and back by sleeper (on Bargain Berths) and to stay at the cheapest places we could find that weren’t shared-dormitory hostels.

I got a Freedom of Scotland Rover, which covered me for most of our travels, and some Advance tickets for the journeys we had to make before 0915 (when the rover becomes valid).



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Gizmogle: http://gizmogle.fotopic.net
LittleRedTrain: http://www.littleredtrain.co.uk/gallery


Day 1 – 17th August
We headed from Ash Vale to London in order to catch the sleeper up to Fort William (via the ECML).
We arrived at Euston about an hour early, so decided to have a wander around the station to see what we could see. We ended walking up platform 16 and were most surprised to see a guy with a wheelie bag behind us, who followed us all the way to the end.
We thought he was just a confused traveller, but turns out he was an enthusiast too and was travelling on the sleeper to Inverness.

We managed to get a few photos of 67003 at the header of the sleeper, and then went to get on.

Once we got all of our stuff stowed and the train started, we headed for the windows. Unfortunately, the attendant asked us to keep the windows shut because ‘we have a diesel engine and the exhaust could set the fire alarm off!’ (Has anyone ever heard of this happening)?

After arriving at the sidings in Willesden (passing a load of 56s, 92s and a 58 on the way), the train sat for about 15 minutes, before heading back south, up the Primrose Hill line, through Camden Road on the NLL and on to the ECML.

Once the train got up to speed on the ECML, we headed for the lounge car where I dined on haggis, neeps and tatties, and Shauna had that well known Scottish delicacy; tomato pasta! We finally headed off to bed for a relatively comfortable night’s sleep (despite a bit of rough shunting at Edinburgh).



Day 2 – Monday 18th August
I woke up fairly early so I could sample the delights of the West Highland Line scenery. The plan was that we’d get into Fort William for 0954, giving us a comfortable 25min connection onto the Jacobite to Mallaig.

However, I passed the attendant on the way up the coach, and she told me the news I’d been dreading. We’d been delayed on the West Highland Line and had missed our path, so we would be held at Bridge of Orchy for a southbound sprinter. This meant we would be anything up to an hour late in Fort William and would miss the Jacobite! The staff on the train reckoned we wouldn’t even be able to catch the following sprinter to Mallaig and pick up the southbound leg.

Fortunately, Scotrail (unlike another certain First Group company!) know a bit about customer service. About 30mins later, the attendant knocked on the door of our cabin and told us that they were trying to sort something out for us (as there were other passengers on the train aiming to catch the Jacobite).

Sure enough, when we arrived at Fort William (at 1040), we were directed to taxis outside the station, which were to take us to Glenfinnan to pick up the Northbound Jacobite.

After a rather fast (and somewhat hair-raising) taxi ride, we arrived in Glenfinnan, to the very welcome sight of K1 62005 and a rake of maroon coaches!

We then had a very pleasant ride up to Arisaig, where the train terminated. (Apparently, there had been a ‘run-through’ on the loop points at Mallaig the previous day, which meant that the loco wouldn’t be able to run round the train there).

After spending a couple of hours wandering round Arisaig, we caught the Jacobite back to Fort William.

Full marks to Scotrail for getting us ¾ of our journey despite the lateness of the sleeper.

After quickly popping into Lidl at Fort William to pick up supplies (including a lot of cheese) we caught a 156 to Glasgow, and after a 4 hour slog down the West Highland, arrived at Queen St for around 2130.

Overnight accommodation was at the Euro-Hostel near Central Station.
It was cheap, and this really showed. The shower randomly would switch to scalding hot, and I managed to flood the bathroom after jumping out to avoid getting burnt. The bed was very uncomfortable and you could feel every spring!



Day 3 – Tuesday 19th August
The day was spent mostly bashing around the south of Scotland.

The first trip was on a Class 334 Juniper from Glasgow Central to Largs (apparently I can’t even get away from the things by travelling several hundred miles). We then headed down to Ayr, for a 156 to Stranraer.
The scenery on this line is rather fantastic, and I can’t help thinking that a steam-hauled operation on this line could be rather profitable (being a little less remote than Fort William).
At Stranraer we had to negotiate our way around the ferry terminal to the town centre and pick up some food. We then caught the same train back to Glasgow via Kilmarnock. (We had to explain to the Guard that we did actually want to go this way, rather than changing to a faster service at Ayr).

The next move was the result of a helpful tip, a 322 that works from Glasgow Central to North Berwick via Carstairs and Edinburgh, giving us a good bit of coverage. We then travelled from Edinburgh up to Stirling, and on the recently re-opened branch to Alloa.

After another supplies stop, we headed back to Stirling and, rather than doing the sane thing and taking a train straight back to Glasgow, we headed to Falkirk Grahamston to pick up a train to Glasgow via Cumbernauld (a 158 on which the poor guard had to run up and down the train at every stop to find a door control panel that would actually work!)

Accommodation was again at the Euro-Hostel. Given that it was raining, we decided to fork out for the Subway from Buchanan St to St Enoch. We made sure we got value for money though, by going the long way round the circle!



Day 4 – Wednesday 20th August
The plan for Wednesday was to head up to the Strathspey Railway at Aviemore.
Rather than take the direct route, we decided to go via Edinburgh so we could travel over the Forth Bridge. This meant a very early start to be at Queen Street for 0730.

Unfortunately, the weather wasn’t brilliant, and we could barely see anything from the bridge. It was still impressive nonetheless.

By the time we reached Aviemore, the weather had brightened up and we wandered into town to get food from Subway (it was surprising that Shauna had lasted this long without one!).

When we went back to the station to buy our tickets, we were told the disappointing news that the railway’s steam loco had failed and that all trains would be diesel operated. Given that coming back another day wasn’t an option, we just hoped that it would be something decent (and not a smelly DMU).

We were not disappointed, round the corner rolled a Class 31 much to Shauna’s delight!
The trip to Broomhill was spent with Shauna doing heads-out while I relaxed in the coach (not being a big fan of diesel clag). After watching the loco run round at Broomhill loop (and the antics of the local sheep), we had a quick look round Broomhill station and headed back on the same train to Aviemore.

Our next move was to head up to Inverness and change there onto a train to Aberdeen.
The journey ran smoothly until we reached Inverurie when we waited for ages in the station before the guard came over the PA and informed us that there was a track defect between there and Dyce, and we couldn’t move until it had been inspected.
While we waited, we got talking to the family across the coach from us, who turned out to be from Guildford of all places!

Eventually, we got on our way, but were further held at Dyce so we could take the path of a local service (which was presumably late or cancelled), and ended up arriving into Aberdeen about 20mins late.
This proved advantageous as, although we’d missed our planned connection to Dundee, the next service was a NXEC HST!

When we got to Dundee, we hit a small problem. Automatic ticket barriers (which neither Shauna’s Priv or my rover could operate) and no staff visible. Fortunately after waiting there for a minute or so figuring out what to do, a man popped out from the cabin where he’d been hiding and opened them for us).

Overnight accommodation was at the Dundee Central Travelodge. This was the same price as the Glasgow Euro-Hostel, but the bed was much more comfortable, and the shower didn’t try to cook me! A definite improvement.



Day 5 - Thursday 21st October
The plan for our final day was to get the Far North Line from Inverness to Thurso and Wick. The plan required a ridiculously early start so we could get to Dundee station in time for the 0648 to Perth. We also had a few risky connections, including a 30mins between the train from Wick to Inverness, and our Sleeper home.

We managed to make it to Perth on time, and spent some time picking up food before getting the train to Inverness.

This train got slower and slower until finally we came to a halt between Blair Atholl and Dalwhinnie. The guard explained that this was due to a slow moving freight train in front of us.

Although we passed the freight in the loop at Dalwhinnie, it became obvious that we would be unable to make the connection to the Wick train at Inverness. The guard came through the train asking if there were any passengers for Wick, and we had to try and explain to him that we were intending to go there, but didn’t want to take a taxi or bus, so would go to Kyle of Lochalsh instead if that was the case.

Eventually we arrived into Inverness about 20 late (missing the 13min connection to the Wick train) and were just able to make the next train to Kyle of Lochalsh.

The scenery on the Kyle line is particularly stunning and a trip is well recommended, so failing to get to Wick wasn’t as big a deal as it could’ve been.
When we got to Kyle station, it was pouring with rain, so we donned waterproofs and legged it for the nearby café, where we got some food and spent the time talking to a couple from Coventry. They had arrived on the train and been intending to catch the bus to Skye and ferry to Mallaig, but the bus had left 5mins early rather than waiting for the train passengers. (It’s nice to see that Scotland has rubbish bus services too!).

The weather refused to let up, so after a brief look around the shop at the station we headed back on the next train to Inverness, where we spent some time wandering around the (mostly shut) town before getting on to the sleeper back to Euston). This time we headed pretty much straight to bed.



Day 6 – Friday 22nd August
We were woken up early by the attendant to tell us we were running early and likely to o be in Euston very shortly. We opened the blinds to see Wembley Central flashing past.
We arrived around 0730 and decided to avoid the rush hour by heading straight to Waterloo and back to Ash Vale.



Conclusion
The trip to Scotland was great fun. We were very lucky with the Jacobite, and although the lack of steam loco on the Strathspey railway and missing the connection to Wick were disappointments, they didn’t detract too much from our holiday.
I definitely would recommend the trip to others, but I would suggest that it is worth forking out a bit extra for comfortable accommodation and making sure you leave plenty of time for connections (even if it means staying somewhere a bit more expensive with more convenient train services).

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Fusion, what is that even supposed to mean?


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I stayed in a hostel once - rather stupidly the lock on the bathroom was outside, so any other member of the party could lock you in :lol:
 

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Day 5 - Thursday 21st October
The plan for our final day was to get the Far North Line from Inverness to Thurso and Wick. The plan required a ridiculously early start so we could get to Dundee station in time for the 0648 to Perth. We also had a few risky connections, including a 30mins between the train from Wick to Inverness, and our Sleeper home.

We managed to make it to Perth on time, and spent some time picking up food before getting the train to Inverness.

This train got slower and slower until finally we came to a halt between Blair Atholl and Dalwhinnie. The guard explained that this was due to a slow moving freight train in front of us.

That was 66620 working the Inverness Cement until it failed where EWS sent 66105 to rescue it, but having 32 Loaded PCAs and a dead 66/6 it didn't get over 30mph - I noticed the 2 66s wern't in the 'Sightings' pic, also did you not see 67011 at Aberdeen on the sleeper in Clayhills depot (on the right hand side departing Aberdeen) when you both headed to Dundee?

Hope that helps :)
 

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That trip to Kyle sounds much like my own, very scenic, but very wet, and get back to Inverness asap!

Glad it sounds like you had a good time though. :)
 
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I've done AYR-GLC via KMK only once before. An AYR-GLC via PYG train was on Platform 1 (I think). He made a check before departure and advised that the other train would leave earlier and get me in earlier too. I just said I'd never been up that way before; actually it was a much better ride than the "traditional" way to Ayr.

Unlucky with Wick, though. That's a tough bit of line to get done and it's expensive to get up there in the first place! (Especially from Ash Vale).
 

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Though with Squeezyjet said to be offering Aberdeen or Inverness before year end..... (thats pricier than a PRIV tho).

Personally I prefer the scenery of GLC-KMK, but the speed and ride of via PYG. There is nothing at Kyle...except a bridge now.......but it's still one of my favourite lines for the views, the atmosphere and the 'away from it all' feel. I did it in one day from Glasgow (long day) and rate it as one of the best days out ever.
 

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Nice photos, sounds and looks like you had a really good trip, I'm trying to reach Scotland this year but looks doubtful-damn college and work!<(
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Once we got all of our stuff stowed and the train started, we headed for the windows. Unfortunately, the attendant asked us to keep the windows shut because ‘we have a diesel engine and the exhaust could set the fire alarm off!’ (Has anyone ever heard of this happening)?

When I used to do the Fort Bill's with 37's for a few days at a time we would go up in the berth (and come back) and spend the rest of the days in the seats and after the loco change at Edinburgh we would go to the front windows of the sleeper and the attendents used to moan although we always used to make some excuse up to stay there until after we had left through the tunnels and passed Haymarket 8)
 

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I really have to do something like that soon. Bet it costs a lot of money, but I'm sure its worth it.
The Strathspey Railway is one I must do, preferably not behind a 31 though. Shame the steam loco failed for you.

Also, I bet the Jacobite was brilliant :)
 

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It wasn't too bad money-wise actually. It's the accommodation that is the expensive bit. If you can find people around the country to stay with, then you're sorted. Unfortunately, I owe Dan almost £200!
 

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It wasn't too bad money-wise actually. It's the accommodation that is the expensive bit. If you can find people around the country to stay with, then you're sorted. Unfortunately, I owe Dan almost £200!

Blimey, thats a bit debt :shock:

At least you had a good time, thats the main thing.

I think I'm going to have to do a few extra paper rounds to save up some money for a trip like that :grin:
 

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Blimey, thats a bit debt :shock:

At least you had a good time, thats the main thing.

I think I'm going to have to do a few extra paper rounds to save up some money for a trip like that :grin:

Dont worry Josh christmas is coming soon, so you might get christmas tips :grin:

This is something I would wanna do aswel after seeing it on Trainspotter get pulled by a 90 then a 67 8-)


But I think it have to be done next year
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Often, ALRs are not the best tickets to use unless you are constantly travelling everywhere, non stop.

Try looking at other area rovers and advance tickets first. Might end up much cheaper.
 

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hmm, cos I was going to do something rather odd, where I wouldn't have to pay for accomodation, so that I'd time it and use the caledonian sleeper with an ALR (no extra fee if in the seated coaches - which is adequate), or going home :lol:)
 

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Oh I sooooooo want to do an ALR.... :) Would be sooo good. I'd have to stay overnight at least somewhere, once or twice, otherwise... its back to Kent everynight.
 

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ALRs are quite fun. Heres the one me and Crunchy Nutter done last year:
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  [FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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  [FONT=&quot]    (CRAINLARICH - FT.WILLIAM)   BUS[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]1204 FT. WILLIAM - GLASGOW QSt   156453[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]1600 GLASGOW QSt - EDINBURGH     170419[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]1700 EDINBURGH   - KINGS CROSS   43306/077[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]2345 PADDINGTON  - PENZANCE      57605[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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  [FONT=&quot]     ST.IVES     - ST.ERTH       150249[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     ST.ERTH     - TRURO         221XXX[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     TRURO       - ST.ERTH       158870[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     ST.ERTH     - LISKEARD      158870[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     LISKEARD    - LOOE          153372[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     LOOE        - LISKEARD      153372[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     LISKEARD    - EXETER St.D   43030/176[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     EXETER St.D - EXMOUTH       153370/69[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     EXMOUTH     - PAIGNTON      153370/69[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     PAIGNTON    - NEWTON ABB.   153370/69[/FONT]
  [FONT=&quot]     NEWTON ABB. - PLYMOUTH      22[COLOR=#00000A]1105[/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot][/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]     PLYMOUTH    - GUNNISLAKE    153368[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]     GUNNISLAKE  - PLYMOUTH      153368[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [B][U][COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]DAY 4; 31/10[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]0020 PLYMOUTH    - PADDINGTON     57605[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]0700 KINGS CROSS - NEWCASTLE      91129[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]1024 NEWCASTLE   - METROCENTRE   156481[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]     METROCENTRE - NEWCASTLE     142087[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]1124 NEWCASTLE   - CARLISLE      156444[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]1400 CARLISLE    - KEIGHLEY      158792/910[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]1651 KEIGHLEY    - LEEDS         333013[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]1740 LEEDS       - KINGS CROSS    91102[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]2035 PADDINGTON  - TOTNES        43130/088[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [B][U][COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]DAY 5; 01/11[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]0018 TOTNES      - PADDINGTON     57604[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]0621 CHARING CR. - ROCHESTER     465184[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]0845 ROCHESTER   - RAMSGATE      375306[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]1330 BRIGHTON    - PMOUTH&SSEA   377322[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]2030 KINGS CROSS - DONCASTER     222104 (Terminated @ Selby due to 2 failed engines)[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]2335 LEEDS       - MANCH. APRT   185116 (via Huddersfield, Hebden Bridge, Salford Cres.)[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]0122 MANCH. APRT - YORK          185116[/FONT][/COLOR]
  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]0357 YORK        - MANCH PICC    185105[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]1900 CHESTER     - LIME STREET   507016[/FONT][/COLOR]
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  [COLOR=#00000A][FONT=&quot]2115 HOME...[/FONT][/COLOR]
 

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I am hunting high and low for where you washed or got changed in that......

The Day 2 Edinburgh - Kings Cross-Paddington for the sleeper must ahve been a bit tight?

Did repeating the overnight sleepers to west Country gain you any xtra coverage, or merely a free seat in which to sleep?
 

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Say if I was to get one for my 16th, do they have to be used within a certain time after buying it, or can they be used anytime..? Cos my birthday is November, but I probably wouldnt use it until the summer...
 

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When buying it you specify the days you wnat it to run, So to be safe, maybe ask for the money and then buy it nearer the time when you are sure of your dates, as changes could come with penalties.
 

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When buying it you specify the days you wnat it to run, So to be safe, maybe ask for the money and then buy it nearer the time when you are sure of your dates, as changes could come with penalties.

Yeah good idea.
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Also, do you have to pay extra to use the Sleeper trains?
 

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Yeah good idea.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Also, do you have to pay extra to use the Sleeper trains?

they are valid for no extra cost on the Caledonian, not sure about the Night riviera. But only in seated coaches and with a reservation. you can pay a suppliment for a berth
 

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they are valid for no extra cost on the Caledonian, not sure about the Night riviera. But only in seated coaches and with a reservation. you can pay a suppliment for a berth

Is it vital that I reserve a seat on the Caley?
If so, how long before?

Also, does any body know about the Night Riviera, as I am planning to do that aswell?
 

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Night Riviera is usually OK to turn up on the day and you should be able to get a seat. Never failed to on my trips on it thus far. Can usually get a berth on the day too although Friday and Sunday nights are the busiest.

Caledonian Sleeper, I'd make a reservation if travelling in the summer as it gets busy sometimes mid-week in March! (I know, I've been there) Berths are harder to come by, but not unheard of. Be aware that if the seated sleeper coach is fully reserved you will not be allowed on. I was nearly not allowed on it when I did Euston to Edinburgh on a mid-week sleeper bash in March 2005, thankfully most people hadn't turned up in the seated sleeper. Try and find the TM as early as you can to ensure you can travel on it if you can.

I've made ALR plans before but I tend to spend fortunes every year on day trips or regional rovers. I still want to do an ALR as it looks to be the best way to explore the country. You can do so much on regional rovers but the ALR, well it's just so flexible! I like others would be on the sleepers as much as possible to minimise accommodation costs as well as copping as many 90s and 67s for haulage as I could (copped all of the FGW lot some time ago), not to mention racking up the mileage!

Anyway, it was good to see you had a great trip LRT and Gizmogle. It does go to show anything can go wrong. You haven't missed that much with the Far North line, you're better off booking onto a railtour to enjoy the best grades on it properly. I think I speak for all of us who were there with 40145 last year when I say it was so much better than it would have been on a 2-car 158. Climbing banks like Lairg right behind 40145 is an experience, it just wouldn't be the same on anything else.

As for the hostels, please don't assume they're all bad. I've stayed in some great ones. Birmingham Central Backpackers and that place in Exeter (I don't know what it was called, never made a note of it), not to mention The Generator (Russell Square, London) are the three best ones I've stayed in. I've stayed in some awful ones too mind, all of the Scottish ones I've stayed in unfortunately fall under that category.

I would agree with LRT that the Kyle of Lochalsh line is stunning, it is well worth making the trip. Can't say I agree with the steam run down to Stranraer, it's a boring line!

I'm encouraged to do a similar trip myself, so that's got to be good.
 

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Night Riviera is usually OK to turn up on the day and you should be able to get a seat. Never failed to on my trips on it thus far. Can usually get a berth on the day too although Friday and Sunday nights are the busiest.

Caledonian Sleeper, I'd make a reservation if travelling in the summer as it gets busy sometimes mid-week in March! (I know, I've been there) Berths are harder to come by, but not unheard of. Be aware that if the seated sleeper coach is fully reserved you will not be allowed on. I was nearly not allowed on it when I did Euston to Edinburgh on a mid-week sleeper bash in March 2005, thankfully most people hadn't turned up in the seated sleeper. Try and find the TM as early as you can to ensure you can travel on it if you can.

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Thanks for your help :grin:
 

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You haven't missed that much with the Far North line, you're better off booking onto a railtour to enjoy the best grades on it properly. I think I speak for all of us who were there with 40145 last year when I say it was so much better than it would have been on a 2-car 158. Climbing banks like Lairg right behind 40145 is an experience, it just wouldn't be the same on anything else.

I've got to agree with you there! <D<D<D That applies for the rest of Scotland as well IMO, if your going to explore Scotland, do it properly with SRPS: http://www.srps.org.uk/railtours/home.html
 

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Totally agreed, Scotland is best seen from an SRPS tour. Only done one other tour with them (Kyle of Lochalsh to Dalmeny - couldn't carry on to Linlithgow due to needing a connection to Edinburgh - with 47245+851 back in May 2006). It was vastly superior to doing 158718 on the same route in the other direction!

Never had problems with their tours though, utterly fantastic their tours are (I haven't done more of them for many reasons, always find I want to do their whole year's lot) and I can't wait to tour with them again soon, preferably one doing Inverness to Aberdeen (need that bit still, refusing to do it on a unit).
 
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