colchesterken
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mmmmm, Anyone remember the original 302-309 seats springs etc
O dear I am back in the good old days
O dear I am back in the good old days
The W-S report is effectively implementing the recommendations from the RSSB seating report in 2019
Seats are a really subjective issue. What’s good for one person isn’t necessarily for another and nobody’s opinion of an individual seat is the right one
Agreed so looking forward to Great British Rail introducing 5 classes of seats on any new 5 car train orders...This ^
Ironing board is overused as a term. Should just be used for fainsa seats used in 700s, 707s and later 377s as it is literally shaped and padded like an ironing boardSeats are a really subjective issue. What’s good for one person isn’t necessarily for another and nobody’s opinion of an individual seat is the right one (although some posters on here don’t get that point and like telling everyone that they’re right end of story and woe betide anyone who disagrees with them).
For me I want a comfortable seat base but I also want a fairly upright firm seat back which aids posture and prevents backache which soft laid back seats can cause (for instance I never recline a seat on a plane or in FC on a train). I actually find the SC Voyager seats are one of the comfiest around as they tick the boxes for what I want.
I hate the term ironing board seat. I’ve sat in plenty of them for decent lengths of time on Northern services and not suffered at all. I’ll probably be told I’m wrong but my opinion is that I know my own mind and body.
The latter problem occurs also with 700, 707 and 717 classesI have no real problems with any railway seat. I find them all reasonably comfortable enough for the rail journeys I’ve undertaken. The only issues I have is with the armrests on the Southern 377 units that I find very uncomfortable and the seats nearest the window on the SWR 450s where you are pressed against the side of the train and nowhere to put your foot as the heaters get in the way!
Ive been told springs in seat bases cant be used anymore because the spring creates a void area for a fire to occur !!! To me it is heavy overkill especially if u look back at train fires, deaths and history in general. There is no need for this regulation IMOmmmmm, Anyone remember the original 302-309 seats springs etc
O dear I am back in the good old days
Amazing how times change. I was on these boards almost 15 years ago, around the time when FGW started to refurbish the HSTs, the "high" and "hard" Grammar seats very much split opinion in this parish, I seem to remember more negative than positive reaction! IC70 seats seem a lot less popular now than they were then.That's the Grammer IC3000, the king of seating (but quite expensive, hence why it's not common).
This seems to be the way forward for many new buses in the uk so yeah why not.What about the seat covering?
Some European trains use a leather or vinyl type material which generally looks a lot more hygienic and must be easier to keep clean.
So we’re all coming around to the leather Chesterfield ideaThe comfiest trains I ever travelled on were 104s. I just want a settee.
Previously available on Caledonian sleeper of course.The comfiest trains I ever travelled on were 104s. I just want a settee.
From my experience both Train and Aircraft Seats have diminished in quality and comfort over the last few years.
The only ones that seemed to have improved are Coach Seats and some Bus ones - ironic really that pauper transportation is improving !!
I’m with you there. Leg room and seat comfort would both be great but if I have to choose (ie compromise) I would go for leg room every time.One thing that has got better, possibly as a result of thinner seats, is legroom. The 80x are excellent in this regard. I don't like Fainsa Sophias a lot, but I'd take an 80x over a Pendolino as at least I fit in all the seats.
I don't think they have to.though wonder if any changes may happen given LO and TFL Rail services will have to take on the great british railways branding including the BR Logo adopted to the fleet
First trip on a 720 the other day. Very difficult to walk through if you have anything more than a bit of a gut. Crazy really. Slight worry in an evacuation?!I don't think we need anymore 2+3 seating, the seats are too small for most people and they left very little space to stand
First trip on a 720 the other day. Very difficult to walk through if you have anything more than a bit of a gut. Crazy really. Slight worry in an evacuation?!
First trip on a 720 the other day. Very difficult to walk through if you have anything more than a bit of a gut. Crazy really. Slight worry in an evacuation?!
I take it you’ve never been involved in an emergency evacuation of a train. From personal experience it’s very urgent when the train is on fire.A train isn't like a plane with regard to evacuations, they are basically never urgent and are better slow and considered, which is why stuff put by doors isn't treated as seriously as it is on planes.
I take it you’ve never been involved in an emergency evacuation of a train. From personal experience it’s very urgent when the train is on fire.
Theyve gone to the other extreme! Narrow seats, huge aisleexactly, tje new Thameslink trains have far more space than the trains they replaced
And far fewer seats. Why not rip out all the seats, then you can have even more people crammed inexactly, tje new Thameslink trains have far more space than the trains they replaced
Theyve gone to the other extreme! Narrow seats, huge aisle
There are more reasons for an emergency evacuation than an on train fire. I was using that as an example of what I personally have been involved in.There are not many things likely to cause a modern EMU to actually be on fire, of course. A DMU may be different, but these aren't DMUs.