Great Northern Fleet - 379s

[physics34]

GN drivers already sign 700s. SN do not.

Huge error at the time IMO not having some SN drivers signing 700s who already signed East Grinstead, Horsham or Littlehampton.

 

[Southern Dvr]

Huge error at the time IMO not having some SN drivers signing 700s who already signed East Grinstead, Horsham or Littlehampton.

A calculated decision.

It’s always been SN/GX and TL/GN.

Makes it easier to separate them when they’ve had enough of GTR. No point training drivers on a piece of rolling stock you don’t expect to keep.

 

[aleggatta]

A calculated decision.

It’s always been SN/GX and TL/GN.

Makes it easier to separate them when they’ve had enough of GTR. No point training drivers on a piece of rolling stock you don’t expect to keep.

Yes and no, when you think SE drivers do SN tonbridge runs regularly

 

[Sutton in Ant]

Meanwhile the SNCF has a fleet size of 2,255 trains. This is an outrage against Southern commuters!

Well, the French government does a better job than the UK government in regulating their railways.

It does. It really does. There are incredibly busy services. There’s demand for a lot of the now withdrawn services to come back.

455s & 313s withdrawn with no replacement, Southern needs more stock.

Agree 1000 percent.

It does need them, but as well know too well the DfT and co. don't do sense.

They don't do sense. The UK governments regulations on the UK railways is really shocking.

Huge error at the time IMO not having some SN drivers signing 700s who already signed East Grinstead, Horsham or Littlehampton.

I don't think this is a big error. Being that some of the Thameslink 700s are based in the Hornsey depot. It makes sense that GN drivers are trained and able to sign off the 700 fleets. SN doesn't operate the 700s and it wouldn't be practical to sign off the 700s.

 

[Richard Scott]

Well, the French government does a better job than the UK government in regulating their railways.

They may regulate them well but doesn't mean they're well run.
Outside of high speed network timetables are shocking with late running and regular cancellations.

 

[yorkie]

Just a gentle reminder that this thread is to discuss updates relating to Great Northern Class 379s

Any posts of a speculative nature belong in Speculative Discussion, please.

Thanks

 

[SEtrains]

Does anyone know what 379(s) are going to Hornsey today?

 

[03_179]

379021 + 379026 heading to Hornsey now

 

[SEtrains]

379021 + 379026 heading to Hornsey now

Thanks

 

[Royston Vasey]

379021 + 379026 heading to Hornsey now

Hauled by 69009 Western Consort no less

 

[Robski_]

A path has appeared from Worksop to Hornsey which is booked to run Monday, Tuesday and Friday next week. Probably 379 moves.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K07422/2024-05-13/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K07422/2024-05-14/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K07422/2024-05-17/detailed

There is also a return 5Q78 with an identical trailing load, for which I can't work out the purpose for.

 

[jon0844]

As these units arrive at Hornsey for inspections, does anyone know so far how they're being received in terms of how much work needs to be done on them?

GTR has stated just adding logos outside and new signs inside, but obviously they need to undergo other work to get them ready. I assume at some point they'll be out testing?

 

[Southern Dvr]

As these units arrive at Hornsey for inspections, does anyone know so far how they're being received in terms of how much work needs to be done on them?

GTR has stated just adding logos outside and new signs inside, but obviously they need to undergo other work to get them ready. I assume at some point they'll be out testing?

There’s apparently been corrosion found on them and mould inside. So they’re gonna need a fair bit of work doing.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

There’s apparently been corrosion found on them and mould inside. So they’re gonna need a fair bit of work doing.

*sigh* A number of posters on here warned that this would happen if they were just left lying around for ages didn't they...?

 

[Trainbike46]

*sigh* A number of posters on here warned that this would happen if they were just left lying around for ages didn't they...?

Especially when they were parked up near the coast

 

[fgwrich]

Especially when they were parked up near the coast

Salty air and Aluminium bodysides…

Mind you, they won’t be the first or last Electrostar fleet to suffer bodyside corrosion, the C2C* fleet have suffered from it in the past and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Southern fleet is undergoing some treatment as well.

*though I’d also heard some of that was down to Bombardiers use of unprotected steel bolts meeting the Ally extrusions. And as any good engineer knows, are not the best of friends.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

GN seems to be of less importance in the GTR "umbrella" compared to Thameslink & Southern that its brand did not get updated unlike the other two & GX also Thameslink branded 700s do run on GN services etc - so anyone reckon the 379s may receive Southern green interiors when refurb'd?

 

[dk1]

*sigh* A number of posters on here warned that this would happen if they were just left lying around for ages didn't they...?

The ones at Crown Point seemed to get better care & no salty air. Unfortunately only four were stored in the Wensum Sidings.

 

[bramling]

*sigh* A number of posters on here warned that this would happen if they were just left lying around for ages didn't they...?

Great. Leaving stock stored never has a great outcome. Hopefully this can all be sorted out without having a long-term effect. What we really don’t want is to find the units being unreliable when they enter service on GN.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

so anyone reckon the 379s may receive Southern green interiors when refurb'd?

If refurb’d.

 

[ScotGG]

You'd expect their condition to be checked when the former leasing company sold them?

 

[physics34]

You'd expect their condition to be checked when the former leasing company sold them?

Just stupid decisions being made on a constant basis. Wonder how the 321s are doing at wembley

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Just stupid decisions being made on a constant basis. Wonder how the 321s are doing at Wembley

The Rene Artois Renatus 321s at Wembley are all pantograph up, so they are at least in warm store.

 

[brad465]

Does this mean the 379 deployment into service and any other subsequent stock cascades are not expected to be finished for December?

 

[43102EMR]

If refurb’d.

Based on the above comments about the condition of them and the 387s getting the Project Aurora refurb, I think it’s reasonable to assume they will be getting a refurb to match a similar standard.

 

[westcoaster]

Pretty sure I saw unbranded 387201 on Lovers walk this morning. All that's on the side it the small Gatwick express branding, from where it said on hire from GX.
Has the cascade started.

 

[03_179]

201 came down two weeks ago top Lovers Walk

 

[Robski_]

Does anyone know which units (if any) came down on 5Q77 today? Or is this train not related to the 379 moves?

 

[03_179]

5Q77 08:44 Worksop Down Yard - Hornsey EMUD:

47749 - 379017 - 379023

 

[43074]

Related question, does anyone know what is currently on 5Q78 Hornsey to Worksop, is this just 47749 returning to Worksop or is there a pair of 379s as well?

(As I understand it they will be put in further storage after acceptance by GTR until fit for service and driver training commences later in the year so it's not as stupid a question it might appear!)