Group bourdon results!

[af1984]

This is a test i have just done, whats your opinions on the results?

I have my assessment day very soon.


Group-Bourdon Result Statistics
Saved on 13/11/2012 at 19:33:04
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Overall Statistics:
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 11
Marked Incorrect ----------- 2


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 781
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.499
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.360

Completed Rows ------------- 30
Mean Row Time -------------- 12.500
Median Row Time ------------ 12.895


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 6.43
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Thats doing 5 sheets (2 mins per sheet)

 

[NI 271]

In truth, I think you may have to spend a bit of time working on it. If what I have heard people claim to be averaging is true, you're some way short.



I'd post some of my results, but I'm not confident they're quite up to scratch yet.

 

[frontosa]

Where did you get your copy of the Group Bourdon test from? Struggling to find one.

Thanks

 

[teaanddunkers]

In truth, I think you may have to spend a bit of time working on it. If what I have heard people claim to be averaging is true, you're some way short.



I'd post some of my results, but I'm not confident they're quite up to scratch yet.

I agree I'm afraid, I don't think these results would pass. If my memory serves me correctly, when I was practicing, I was getting between 1600-1700cells completed with between 2 and 9 ommitted and rarely any marked incorrectly. I don't know if this is a pass because we had a SCAAT on paper at the assessments.

 

[tom1681]

Where did you get your copy of the Group Bourdon test from? Struggling to find one.

Thanks

You can find a link to it in this post.

 

[NHG66]

Hi AF1984,

I agree with previous posters. I was getting around 1300 completed with 0 errors and perhaps 2-3 ommissions on the computer based tests. I sat a paper test and passed and I must say that I found the paper tests a bit easier. The key is accuracy but that is also balanced with speed of working, you results are down on both scores. What I suggest is that you try to recognise the various patterns that groups of 4 dots come in (there are only so many). Then try to pick up the speed.

Not everyone's brain is 'wired' to work in this fashion, yes you can improve things with practice but we are all different. have a look around, I think you can download paper copies of the tests from the group bourdon tool. I did this and found that a bit easier as it took away the keyboard factor ( not everyone is playstation generation and speedy with a keyboard)

Good luck.

 

[TheVicLine]

I don't know the pass mark but I was doing about 1000 cells checked with 0 wrong and about 3-7 omissions and I passed with a good pass.

However saying that I only did an hour or so and found it a lot easier on the day with the paper version than sitting at home doing it on the computer. My 10 year old son and the Mrs were doing far better than me so I sort of thought forget the practice and it will be ok on the day.

 

[NI 271]

What I suggest is that you try to recognise the various patterns that groups of 4 dots come in (there are only so many). Then try to pick up the speed.

Not everyone's brain is 'wired' to work in this fashion, yes you can improve things with practice but we are all different.

Agree with this, if you're having to count the dots you're never going to be fast enough, I don't think. You need to recognise the number of dots in each group whilst skimming past them rather than inspecting each group.

I don't know the pass mark but I was doing about 1000 cells checked with 0 wrong and about 3-7 omissions and I passed with a good pass.

Your 'good pass' will be overall, not just the GB test though? I would imagine it is possible to have one slightly weaker part of your overall assessments provided the others are of a higher than average standard? I think I remember you saying you work for London Underground, so I would assume you have a fairly decent grounding in the sort of thing a TOC would be looking at, and therefore likely to score very highly in other parts of the assessments? It's this thought that has led me to spend time doing the GB tests, coming from a different background I think I'll need to be good at that to boost my overall marks...



I could of course be completely wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time!

 

[TheVicLine]

I passed each of the assessments seperately with TPE and they do not accept borderline passes on any of the individual tests so I must have achieved a minimum of either a good or outstanding pass with the GBT, although I have never seen the results so I don't know which it was.

 

[monty9120]

how do you work out how many cells you had. also what are omissions

when i did mine i think i did about 10-12 lines on each

 

[frontosa]

You can find a link to it in this post.

Thanks!

 

[Inge]

I can't seem to get much quicker than that, but I think it will be enough to pass any assessment I rock up to.

Overall Statistics:
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 1
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1239
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.313
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.270

Completed Rows ------------- 48
Mean Row Time -------------- 7.836
Median Row Time ------------ 7.655


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 3.28
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how do you work out how many cells you had. also what are omissions

when i did mine i think i did about 10-12 lines on each

Omissions are the groups of 4 dots that you overlook and miss while doing the test.

 

[Beveridges]

I was scoring 1600-1675 cells with 0-2 omitted and 0 errors every time and obviously passed with A's but people have passed with much lower. As for the score in the original post, needs more speed definitely and maybe more accuracy. But it's the speed that's the main downfall. Needs more practice I hates practicing this test but did it more than enough times

 

[NI 271]

I was scoring 1600-1675 cells with 0-2 omitted and 0 errors every time and obviously passed with A's but people have passed with much lower. As for the score in the original post, needs more speed definitely and maybe more accuracy. But it's the speed that's the main downfall. Needs more practice I hates practicing this test but did it more than enough times

My two best...

Group-Bourdon Result Statistics
Saved on 11/5/2012 at 10:14:41 PM
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Overall Statistics:
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ None
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1583
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.240
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.210

Completed Rows ------------- 61
Mean Row Time -------------- 5.985
Median Row Time ------------ 5.960


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 3.68



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Group-Bourdon Result Statistics
Saved on 11/13/2012 at 9:50:53 PM
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Overall Statistics:
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ None
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1550
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.245
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.220

Completed Rows ------------- 60
Mean Row Time -------------- 6.124
Median Row Time ------------ 5.965


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 2.92



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Looks like I'm not as far behind as I'd thought.

 

[playmore64]

Whoa! that's pretty impressive NI_271 well done buddy.

I think we should all have a go and post our best score (5 sheerts 2mins each)

 

[NHG66]

I was getting around 1350 cells with perhaps 1 missed, zero errors and I passed with FGW. They do not accept borderline passes so I must of cleared the bar easily. FWIW, the test I passed was paper based which I found easier than the computer version and I work in computers (until my start date with FGW that is )

 

[Degsi00]

My best result so far has been 77 lines (1 omission) but in terms of lines completed:

Group-Bourdon Result Statistics
Saved on 04/10/2012 at 15:22:13
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Overall Statistics:
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 2
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 2022
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.190
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.160

Completed Rows ------------- 79
Mean Row Time -------------- 4.722
Median Row Time ------------ 4.710


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 1.97



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Individual Sheet Statistics:
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Sheet: 1
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 1
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Row 12: Omitted: 1 - Incorrect: 0


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 412
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.186

Completed Rows ------------- 16
Mean Row Time -------------- 4.608

Fastest Row ---------------- 3.88
Slowest Row ---------------- 5.27


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 1.39


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Sheet: 2
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 1
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Row 2: Omitted: 1 - Incorrect: 0


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 408
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.188

Completed Rows ------------- 16
Mean Row Time -------------- 4.671

Fastest Row ---------------- 4.02
Slowest Row ---------------- 5.49


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 1.47


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Sheet: 3
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ None
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 407
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.188

Completed Rows ------------- 16
Mean Row Time -------------- 4.699

Fastest Row ---------------- 4.14
Slowest Row ---------------- 5.37


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 1.23


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Sheet: 4
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ None
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 403
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.190

Completed Rows ------------- 16
Mean Row Time -------------- 4.754

Fastest Row ---------------- 3.86
Slowest Row ---------------- 5.49


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 1.63


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Sheet: 5
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ None
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 392
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.195

Completed Rows ------------- 15
Mean Row Time -------------- 4.889

Fastest Row ---------------- 4.28
Slowest Row ---------------- 5.83


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 1.55


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[Beveridges]

You definetely don't need any more practice thats well above the standard probably double the standard for a pass

 

[Degsi00]

Cheers for that. I Could only hazard a guess that my practising could take a break since nobody seemed to be posting similar results. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't being achieving by others. I just need to remain sharp!

 

[Beveridges]

Remember that the Group Boredom test is only a little 10 minute test, and is a small part of the day. The structured interview is an hour and a half long, is as long and as important as all the other tests put together, and fails more people than any other test. But it can be practiced as easily as the others because they ask the same 5 main questions every time.

 

[Degsi00]

Ta, if you don't mind me asking, to your mind what might those 5 questions be?

 

[Dave1987]

The questions I was asked at my structured interview were:

1. When have you had to deal with an emergency situation?

2. When have you been on a course that has lasted longer than 2 weeks?

3. When have you had to work alone for long periods of time?

4. When have you had your actions scrutinised by someone else?

5. When have you had to follow a set down set of rules/proceedures?

Cant remember any more than that but the lady who did mine asked for me to go into considerable detail when elaborating on my answers during the interview.

 

[NI 271]

My best result so far

Magnificent. Maybe twenty years ago I could have aspired to that, but I'm 41 now and those sort of reactions are sadly beyond me.

 

[Beveridges]

The questions I was asked at my structured interview were:

1. When have you had to deal with an emergency situation?

2. When have you been on a course that has lasted longer than 2 weeks?

3. When have you had to work alone for long periods of time?

4. When have you had your actions scrutinised by someone else?

5. When have you had to follow a set down set of rules/proceedures?

The 5 main questions are the same as the above except number 4 is "Describe a time when you had to deal with a difficult problem"

 

[NI 271]

Would you be marked down for citing multiple examples of each? Being an old get, I've lots of examples of all except the course lasting over 2 weeks (except for those which were one day a week). If I was to go over say two or three examples of the others, would that be viewed as over the top?

 

[Dave1987]

From what I remember you are asked to provide 1 example. Don't know whether providing multiple examples will help you or not. As far as the course over two weeks is concerned think about it this way, if you become a trainee driver your course will be at least 6 months with lots and lots to learn in that time. They want to know that you can handle a course of that length with lots of info being fired at you which you need to memorise. You need to show to the interviewer you have the ability to do that.

Hope that helps

 

[Beveridges]

Trainee Mainline Driver course is 1 year. Trainee Depot Driver course is shorter due to less route learning but it is still 6-7 months. So it really is stupid how they only ask an example of a course lasting for two weeks.

You get about 10 probing questions on each main question when you get to the verbal grilling part of the Interview which lasts an hour.

When deciding what examples to use then relevance is the most important thing, not difficulty. When I was asked to describe an example of a time when I solved a difficult problem I could have used an example of a problem that REALLY was difficult, but it was not relevant to rail in any way. So what I decided to use was an example of dealling with a problem that far from being the most difficult, but it was very relevant to the job. Its relevance over difficulty every time.

The Group Boredom and Reactions tests can both be practiced using practice software. The Structured Interview can be practiced as you know what the main questions are going to be. The Mechanical Test can be practiced using mechanical examples, the Glop test can be practiced by gaining an understanding about Sandite trains and knowing a bit about what to expect in the passage. The Dials test is just easy and doesnt need practicing. The thing about psychometric tests is you can pass all of them through practice, whether you initially have the ability or not, as the practice tools and info are all available somewhere on the forum. Especially the Group Boredom test tool, which is EXACTLY the same as the real one (computer version) Except in the real version the Dots are actually bigger than in the practice tool if I remember correctly due to the low resolution of the aging VDU's which they use - at least at CCL Crewe.

 

[NI 271]

From what I remember you are asked to provide 1 example. Don't know whether providing multiple examples will help you or not. As far as the course over two weeks is concerned think about it this way, if you become a trainee driver your course will be at least 6 months with lots and lots to learn in that time. They want to know that you can handle a course of that length with lots of info being fired at you which you need to memorise. You need to show to the interviewer you have the ability to do that.

Hope that helps

Funny really, but the only reason I haven't done a degree with the OU over the last ten years is because I haven't been able to afford it. I'd LOVE to spend time studying towards something, I'm one of those sad people who lives to learn, and looks for opportunities to do just that in everything he does.

Trainee Mainline Driver course is 1 year. Trainee Depot Driver course is shorter due to less route learning but it is still 6-7 months. So it really is stupid how they only ask an example of a course lasting for two weeks.

You get about 10 probing questions on each main question when you get to the verbal grilling part of the Interview which lasts an hour.

When deciding what examples to use then relevance is the most important thing, not difficulty. When I was asked to describe an example of a time when I solved a difficult problem I could have used an example of a problem that REALLY was difficult, but it was not relevant to rail in any way. So what I decided to use was an example of dealling with a problem that far from being the most difficult, but it was very relevant to the job. Its relevance over difficulty every time.

The more I learn about what is expected, the more I like what I hear...