GTR Train driver salary

[Patters1983]

Hi

Just wanted some clarification on the salary side of things...
How much would I expect to make whilst training?
Once qualified?

Thanks

 

[Cherry_Picker]

http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/102222/102225/companies/

It's relatively up to date.

 

[Patters1983]

Thank you so much

 

[Class2ldn]

It's 51001 now qualified, not sure on training but it's gone up.
Another pay deal in October, we're expecting Sundays to be brought in at some point aswell.

 

[rhysa85]

Hi

Just wanted some clarification on the salary side of things...
How much would I expect to make whilst training?
Once qualified?

Thanks

Hi it's just shy of £26k during training and is paid 4 weekly

 

[red2005]

I'd say that it's more than enough so don't worry!

Just concentrate on getting your backside through the training first as if your not on the ball with that the salary is irrelevant.......It's not an easy course and far from a foregone conclusion that everyone will pass.

As I say don't worry about the salary your contract will explain it all.

 

[Patters1983]

lol yeah I know...I was just getting confused as why it said £24k on my contract as I was leaving a £35k job but reading this helps me understand more...will defo get my head down for the training "money isn't everything..."

 

[bobbyc86]

How long is the training salary for?

 

[whoosh]

Thameslink and Great Northern are on £51,001 as above when qualified. Southern and Gatwick Express are on about £49,000 - not sure if they have a lower 'post -qualified' rate for a year after qualifying.


Training usually takes about a year, but plan for it taking about 18 months as at the moment there is a backlog of trainees and lots of other training going on for existing drivers at the as well. If you bank on 18 months you won't be as frustrated with any delays in your training.

 

[red2005]

lol yeah I know...I was just getting confused as why it said £24k on my contract as I was leaving a £35k job but reading this helps me understand more...will defo get my head down for the training "money isn't everything..."

Yeah most companies have a training rate now. Sometimes if you're an internal applicant like me and your previous grade had a rate of pay that was more than the training rate you'd stay on that basic wage. However if you're external you go to the training rate no matter what you were on in your previous job.

Red

 

[Class2ldn]

Oh and if you are starting now on TL you won't be learning 319s

 

[ComUtoR]

Oh and if you are starting now on TL you won't be learning 319s

That's cause we cover your **** !!!

Some of us at your sister company are watching with great interest. Hold out for Sundays or make em pay through the nose.

Do you guys have the post qualified reduction too ? Ours goes up after rules/traction and then again after Initial Assessment but stays lower for another year.

 

[Class2ldn]

No I think we are straight to full whack but I moved from se so I was qualified anyway.
It's been worked out that if we worked all our Sundays it equates to over 9k extra a year yet some reps have come back with something around 3k that they reckon is acceptable however that's not official union word just a few in the know so to speak. Seeing as it's been agreed that they can say yeah without our say so no doubt we'll be sold down the river while they get their little backhanders.
Never thought I'd be comparing se with TL but it seems they are gunning for us as it's generally seen as a cushy job at TL.
However doing 9h40 a few times a week soon changes that lol
The 700s are a farce aswell. Great trains but it's been revealed by a few that GTR have refused to buy anymore as Siemens knew about door issues with them and didn't pass the info on.
Hopefully that will be sorted this week though.

 

[ComUtoR]

No I think we are straight to full whack but I moved from se so I was qualified anyway.

I thought as much. They tried to get the same for us but couldn't swing it. Its a very very good advantage that TL trainees have over us and makes a significant difference in salary terms.

It's been worked out that if we worked all our Sundays it equates to over 9k extra a year yet the soke reps have come back with something around 3k that they reckon is acceptable however that's not official union word just a few in the know so to speak. Seeing as it's been agreed that they can say yeah without our say so no doubt we'll be sold down the river while they get their little backhanders.

My guess would be a buyout option like we had for our shunters when they lost Sundays. As long as its on top of the standard payrise then I honestly think that a few grand can be significant because it will compound over time.

Never thought I'd be comparing se with TL but it seems they are gunning for us as it's generally seen as a cushy job at TL.
However doing 9h40 a few times a week soon changes that lol

IF we get "the offer" there are a few who are planning to take it. Personally the long day is a huge no for me; irrespective of the salary.

2018 isn't that far in all honesty. Whatever you get will directly impact what happens over here due to the depot changes.

 

[Class2ldn]

Yeah I mean the long days can be tiring, we have one job which is Blackfriars all stations to Bedford back to Brighton 56 min pnb then back to Bedford then back to Blackfriars 0605 sign on 1545 sign off. However we do get 10 minutes sign off at end so it's 1535 in platform.
I still wouldn't go back to se. The 4 day week works OK especially with 5 days off every 3rd week.
Means you can do 2 rest days and still have 3 days off that weekend.
I know a few at orpy that will be moving long days or not.
It's not all long days either, it's like anything some are good some are bad days.
Do you still have to save 2 days for Xmas and boxing day as we get them as extra lieu days.

 

[ComUtoR]

We still have to save them. Our AL is awful but the union sold it for the 4 day week (idiots)

 

[Bromley boy]

Yeah I mean the long days can be tiring, we have one job which is Blackfriars all stations to Bedford back to Brighton 56 min pnb then back to Bedford then back to Blackfriars 0605 sign on 1545 sign off. However we do get 10 minutes sign off at end so it's 1535 in platform.
I still wouldn't go back to se. The 4 day week works OK especially with 5 days off every 3rd week.
Means you can do 2 rest days and still have 3 days off that weekend.
I know a few at orpy that will be moving long days or not.
It's not all long days either, it's like anything some are good some are bad days.
Do you still have to save 2 days for Xmas and boxing day as we get them as extra lieu days.

Out of interest, how is the TL roster structured, in terms of weekly early/late shifts, and guaranteed days off?

5 straight days off every third week sounds pretty good...

 

[Class2ldn]

Right so say you start on the week where the long weekend is
You will have Friday Saturday Sunday then Monday Tuesday that first week off then back on lates/nights Wednesday.
Work 4 days to Saturday and then whether you have Sunday off or not depends on whether you are rostered or not.
Then lates Monday Tuesday Rd Wednesday and Thursday then back on earlies Friday and Saturday so 4 days that week. May be off Sunday again depends on the roster.
Then you work monday-thursday early then into long weekend friday- Tuesday again.
So always start long weekend after earlies and go back on lates or nights.
Sundays are rostered 1 in 3 but you don't have to work it as long as you give a weeks notice.
That may change now though as the Sundays we think is going to be brought in but how it's going to work noone knows. Sundays are not currently pensionable.
Downside to this roster is of you are on nights you will only have 1 full day off before you are back in early.

 

[whoosh]

^^
That's on Thameslink side. GN rest days are more random but have more Saturdays off. Also work closer to 1 in 2 Sundays rostered. Some depots have a long weekend every four weeks to give some structure, but some are totally random.
Shift changes over the weekend, so Monday to Saturday (with two rest days) earlies, then the next week lates (rather than a week and a half on Thameslink above). Nights every so often, and you usually go back onto lates the week after nights, although it can be earlies if there are some rest days inbetween.

 

[theironroad]

I seem to recall somewhere that blackfriars Depot is closing.

Have they stopped taking drivers (qualified) at blackfriars?

What happens to the current blackfriars drivers and which depots will they move to?

Thanks

 

[Class2ldn]

Yes closing in 2018. Basically we have to pick a depot to move to. New depots at Orpington, three bridges,Cricklewood, St Albans,Luton,Gillingham and Ashford on TL side and new depots at Finsbury Park aswell is an option.
I'm not sure what's happening in regards to recruitment for Blackfriars.

 

[Bromley boy]

Right so say you start on the week where the long weekend is
You will have Friday Saturday Sunday then Monday Tuesday that first week off then back on lates/nights Wednesday.
Work 4 days to Saturday and then whether you have Sunday off or not depends on whether you are rostered or not.
Then lates Monday Tuesday Rd Wednesday and Thursday then back on earlies Friday and Saturday so 4 days that week. May be off Sunday again depends on the roster.
Then you work monday-thursday early then into long weekend friday- Tuesday again.
So always start long weekend after earlies and go back on lates or nights.
Sundays are rostered 1 in 3 but you don't have to work it as long as you give a weeks notice.
That may change now though as the Sundays we think is going to be brought in but how it's going to work noone knows. Sundays are not currently pensionable.
Downside to this roster is of you are on nights you will only have 1 full day off before you are back in early.

Thanks for that. The guaranteed five day weekend is good, but I guess there are some long runs of days at work if you don't take the Sundays off - and these are only single rest days.

The predictability must come in handy though - swings and roundabouts I suppose.

 

[Class2ldn]

If you don't take the Sunday off then yes you can do a fair few on the trot but I always do as a rest day will bank you more then a Sunday will

 

[theironroad]

Yes closing in 2018. Basically we have to pick a depot to move to. New depots at Orpington, three bridges,Cricklewood, St Albans,Luton,Gillingham and Ashford on TL side and new depots at Finsbury Park aswell is an option.
I'm not sure what's happening in regards to recruitment for Blackfriars.

thanks.