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High Output Ballast Cleaner to arrive on Greater Anglia in the New Year

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According to the local press, NR's HOBC is due to clean and refresh 79 miles of local track (mainly the GEML) over the next 2 years http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/rail_misery_on_the_way_for_commuters_as_it_is_revealed_800_metre_long_cleaning_machine_is_set_to_come_to_anglia_s_tracks_1_3811063

Commuters and rail users could be in for months of mayhem when an 800-metre-long monster cleaning machine engulfs the region’s tracks.


The £41.7m High Output Ballast Cleaner (HOBC), which belongs to Network Rail, will roll into Anglia for the first time when it embarks on an 84-week spring clean to freshen up gravel under railway sleepers.

And a document shown to the EDP has revealed that passengers are in store for more than two years of delays, cancellations and bus replacements when the work starts in January.

Abellio Greater Anglia has come under fire for failing to give its users – including thousands who pay thousands of pounds for season tickets – enough warning about the work.

The project will see 79 miles of track cleaned over 37 hours a week and will primarily affect the much bemoaned Norwich to London Liverpool Street line, which already suffers regular delays.


Normally used on four-line tracks, it will also be the first time the mammoth 45 tonne machine has been put to the test on a two-line commuter track – which has no diversions.

And although most of the work will be completed in the late evening or overnight, the document reveals that Abellio bosses are already predicting a risk of “customer confusion and frustration” with cancellations and delays in the pipeline.

In some instances, services that run six times an hour will be cut to two.

Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Norwich South Clive Lewis criticised Abellio for its communication. “When were they going to tell us and when were the people who buy season tickets going to be told?


“Do I think this is a calculated 
decision? I will let the public decide. We are paying through the nose for a privatised rail system which isn’t working,” he said.

But a spokesman for the franchise said information would be released when the schedule is fixed and insisted most of the work would avoid peak times.

Network Rail and Abellio Greater Anglia said: “Final details of this work have not yet been agreed.

“As soon as the scope of this work and its impact on services have been confirmed, we will communicate details of any associated service alterations to passengers.

“The aim will be to provide the best possible alternative arrangements for customers when any timetable changes are necessary.”

After the cleaning is complete a track relaying system is set to be brought in from October 2016 to June 2017, which could add up to 40 minutes to journeys to London.

What is ballast cleaning?

A ballast cleaner - also known as an undercutter - specialises in cleaning the gravel or stone ballast on tracks.

The originally angular ballast becomes worn and rounded over time, which reduces its effectiveness. The cleaner removes worn gravel, screens it using a mesh filter and replaces it.

In 2008, Network Rail purchased the 800-metre-long HOBC from Plasser and Theurer for £41.7m.

It can clean 600 yards - 0.55 km - in an eight-hour shift.

The HOBC will affect lines through Norwich, Ipswich, Colchester and Shenfield.

The work means the track life can be extended with minimal disruption.

Will it happen again?

Fears that the work will overrun and affect rush-hour services stem from incidents earlier in the year, where cancellations and delays left passengers stranded.

Services between Norwich and London were cancelled in March after overrunning engineering work.

And in May, thousands of people were delayed after improvement works at Colchester overran.

Customers were advised not to travel unless their journey was essential.

In August, rail users were affected by delays until 2am, due to over-running works at Ipswich. It came after Network Rail bosses insisted the work would be completed on time after the two-day track closure.

When will the delays be worst?

The largest chunk of the work will take place in the late evening and overnight.

It is likely commuters and those visiting London for the day will suffer the worst disruption.

On certain Saturday evenings, bus replacement services will run instead of the 11.30pm from London Liverpool Street to Norwich, with buses also replacing parts of the 7am, 8am and 9am services on Sunday mornings.

On Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday evenings some trains leaving after 8.30pm from London will terminate at Ipswich, with bus replacements between Norwich and Colchester.

Some journeys heading to London which are normally six times an hour will be reduced to two.

Where do they get these journalists from?:roll: 45 tonne machine?:lol: You'd need to double that to even get close to the weight of one of the class 66 locos!
 
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It would seem like most people commenting on that article realize that it is a job that needs doing regardless. The article really promotes the rail industry in a negative way and the work hasn't even begun yet! :s
 

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It would seem like most people commenting on that article realize that it is a job that needs doing regardless. The article really promotes the rail industry in a negative way and the work hasn't even begun yet! :s

Our local press seems to value the railways around here (in particular the GEML) but is convinced that everyone involved with running it (both NR and Greater Anglia) is an idiot.
 
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Our local press seems to value the railways around here (in particular the GEML) but is convinced that everyone involved with running it (both NR and Greater Anglia) is an idiot.

What on earth is that article wibbling on about? It contains many, many faults and factual errors.

The Evening News (& EDP) stopped being credible papers about 15 years ago and are now just rags that reprint press releases and make up articles without checking facts, or spelling, or grammar. The entire thing is a joke with articles like this a common occurrence.

Readership is very low (people just scan the headlines online for important local news) and I doubt the journalists working there are ever going on to better things. If they are I hope they aren't using their real names for the articles!
 

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The Evening News (& EDP) stopped being credible papers about 15 years ago and are now just rags that reprint press releases and make up articles without checking facts, or spelling, or grammar. The entire thing is a joke with articles like this a common occurrence.

Readership is very low (people just scan the headlines online for important local news) and I doubt the journalists working there are ever going on to better things. If they are I hope they aren't using their real names for the articles!

Pretty good synopsis of the paper - with one or two exceptions, it's pretty inaccurate to say the least.
 

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When I read the EDP and am convinced they have a significant department who exist solely to hate Greater Anglia and sometimes Network Rail.

Kind of the like the Metro...
 

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Cut through the tabloid style reporting, and there is a serious discussion to be had.

It will be interesting to see just how disruptive this midweek night engineering work will be. Sure they are trying the HOBC on the comparatively quiet stretch between Haughley and Trowse to start with, but inevitably the disruption will become worse the further south they come.

At least if the trains run on time to the revised timetable peoples expectations will have been managed to some degree. But if that is subject to performance issues on the night, the public may not be so forgiving.

This is the strategy that allows AGA and NR to keep some weekends free of bus replacements. It is not an easy problem to balance. Whether it proves to be the right strategy, time will tell.
 

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Where do they get these journalists from?:roll: 45 tonne machine?:lol: You'd need to double that to even get close to the weight of one of the class 66 locos!

Probably missing two zeros. Most journalists couldn't comprehend 4500 tonnes. Plus remember they may have got confused with a truck. Mgw 44... Very similar.

Simple beasts after all.
 

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At least if the trains run on time to the revised timetable peoples expectations will have been managed to some degree. But if that is subject to performance issues on the night, the public may not be so forgiving.

Given the OTT local media response to the overrun a few months back, I suspect knives will be sharpened should any trains be cancelled over and above those already planned. I recall that BBC East were pretty hostile towards NR, so it isn't just the local provider of fish and chip wrappers who my be waiting to have a dig. Trouble is, with a General Election next year, we may not be spared the inability of the Honourable :lol: Member for Clacton to differentiate between the roles of NR and Abelio Greater Anglia.
 
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Fortunately the HOBC doesn't come south of Colchester for a while yet, so shouldn't affect Clacton trains.

But then we know that the Honourable :lol: Member for Clacton doesn't know his Alresford from his Elmswell.
 

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Normally used on four-line tracks, it will also be the first time the mammoth 45 tonne machine has been put to the test on a two-line commuter track – which has no diversions.

Well, last time I checked Worting Junction / Battledown Flyover to Salisbury is only a double track line, of which has seen the HBOC working over for the past year.
 

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Well in the very long run it would save disruption if we were to switch to slab track - if someone can work out a way of installing it without ridiculously unacceptable disruption.

On another note - if the HOBC only cost £41m perhaps they should have more than one so they can work in parallel, after all they have to put a possession on far more track than the machine can handle in a single shift in order for it to get to work.
 

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Normally used on four-line tracks, it will also be the first time the mammoth 45 tonne machine has been put to the test on a two-line commuter track – which has no diversions.
So it hasnt done any work on the two track Great Western mainline then! :roll:

Journalism at its most <deleted>! <D
 

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Everyone wants us to run a safe, reliable service but no-one wants us to carry out the work necessary to ensure this. Madness.

O L Leigh

Yep, but if everything went smoothly then the press/public would have no one to complain about. Must have those hysterical/whinging stories you see! ;)
 

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Cut through the tabloid style reporting, and there is a serious discussion to be had.

There isn’t though really is there? Either the track is renewed this way, which offers more output and crucially less down time or you do the old fashioned way with lots of closures and buses replacing trains.

It will be interesting to see just how disruptive this midweek night engineering work will be. Sure they are trying the HOBC on the comparatively quiet stretch between Haughley and Trowse to start with, but inevitably the disruption will become worse the further south they come.

It manages ok everywhere else on the country. Why should Anglia be different? I can’t recall the WCML into Euston closed often because the high out put machines have failed. Or the Western or the ECML where they work on a two track mainline all the time? The kind of work this machine does is now normal all over the country. Midweek nights are nothing new.

At least if the trains run on time to the revised timetable peoples expectations will have been managed to some degree. But if that is subject to performance issues on the night, the public may not be so forgiving.

Again - what is different on Anglia to the rest of the country? It SHOULD only be the latest and earliest trains at risk.

This is the strategy that allows AGA and NR to keep some weekends free of bus replacements. It is not an easy problem to balance. Whether it proves to be the right strategy, time will tell. .

Agreed - but it is still better than doing it with lots of closures.

Well in the very long run it would save disruption if we were to switch to slab track - if someone can work out a way of installing it without ridiculously unacceptable disruption.

Slab track wouldn’t offer any guarantee of less disruption - in fact it might create more to replace it when life expired.

On another note - if the HOBC only cost £41m perhaps they should have more than one so they can work in parallel, after all they have to put a possession on far more track than the machine can handle in a single shift in order for it to get to work.

Not sure what you mean there, especially about the possessions - Already we have more than one machine in the country and I think they cost bit more than £41m! Also running two together might defeat one of the ideas behind the machines, which is to have an adjacent line open to traffic during works in the hope of reducing disruption.

Everyone wants us to run a safe, reliable service but no-one wants us to carry out the work necessary to ensure this. Madness.

Agreed!!!!!!!
 

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I would suggest volume of container traffic to Felixstowe makes Anglia different on the freight side. There is the diversionary route via Ely, but then there are a whole lot of other maintenance possessions that have to be moved to accommodate. Meanwhile when the HOBC works between Ipswich and Haughley, some freight may have to be diverted via Stratford, causing similar issues elsewhere.

Meanwhile the passengers - this is a busy route, especially at the south end. It is not just the last and first trains affected if you are to get the required productivity out of the HOBC. When has the HOBC been tried so close to London before?

The HOBC not only blocks one line, it requires precise timing of short possessions of the adjacent line to set up. Get this wrong and the best planned timetable will fail.

Unfortunately the other thing that makes Anglia different (or maybe not) is NR's track record this year on giving up possessions to time. Yes the media were critical, and while you may not like the style of their reporting, rightly so.
 
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I would suggest volume of container traffic to Felixstowe makes Anglia different on the freight side. There is the diversionary route via Ely, but then there are a whole lot of other maintenance possessions that have to be moved to accommodate. Meanwhile when the HOBC works between Ipswich and Haughley, some freight may have to be diverted via Stratford, causing similar issues elsewhere.

Meanwhile the passengers - this is a busy route, especially at the south end. It is not just the last and first trains affected if you are to get the required productivity out of the HOBC. When has the HOBC been tried so close to London before?

The HOBC not only blockes one line, it requires precise timing of short possessions of the adjacent line to set up. Get this wrong and the best planned timetable will fail.

Unfortunately the other thing that makes Anglia different (or maybe not) is NR's track record this year on giving up possessions to time. Yes the media were critical, and while you may not like the style of their reporting, rightly so.


Som good points very well made. I would then suggest that every weekend until it is done we shut down large sections of it and put all the passengers on buses or long diversionary route until the work is done but make sur NR finish the work at midnight on a sunday so not to inconvenience commuters.
 

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Slab track wouldn’t offer any guarantee of less disruption - in fact it might create more to replace it when life expired.
Indeed, but disruption every fifty years is probably more acceptable since its likely you will want to do some upgrade work or similar on it at the same time. ;)

Meanwhile in the intervening years its quite a lot less maintenance intensive.

Not sure what you mean there, especially about the possessions - Already we have more than one machine in the country and I think they cost bit more than £41m! Also running two together might defeat one of the ideas behind the machines, which is to have an adjacent line open to traffic during works in the hope of reducing disruption.

The train can only handle a few hundred metres of track per shift - which means that the area of track to be treated each night (even including overruns for the massively long train) is likely to be shorter than the length of track that becomes unavailable in order for it to work.

We don't normally have full sets of crossovers every few hundred metres any more, if we ever did.

So having multiple trains working in parallel on the same line would reduce the total amount of disruption required to complete the works.
 

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So having multiple trains working in parallel on the same line would reduce the total amount of disruption required to complete the works.

I think you probably should have explained this as multiple trains working one behind the other, in a longer block. For many people 'parallel' will suggest working alongside each other...
 

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Slab track is not necessarily the answer especially on soft formations prone to settlement, such as those found on much of GEML. If ballasted track settles, you just tip some more stone and tamp it back to level. If a slab track settles you are into a world of pain.
 

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I think you probably should have explained this as multiple trains working one behind the other, in a longer block. For many people 'parallel' will suggest working alongside each other...

ie in 'tandem' (from Latin, tandem is 'at length'). ;)
 

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I would then suggest that every weekend until it is done we shut down large sections of it and put all the passengers on buses or long diversionary route until the work is done but make sure NR finish the work at midnight on a sunday so not to inconvenience commuters.

Thereby perfectly explaining the dilemma. There is no easy answer to please all, but Abellio were keen to reduce weekend bussing, and this is the alternative.

Slab track is not necessarily the answer especially on soft formations prone to settlement, such as those found on much of GEML. If ballasted track settles, you just tip some more stone and tamp it back to level. If a slab track settles you are into a world of pain.

Indeed, slab track and wet Essex clay. I'm no geologist, but it doesn't sound a good combination :|
 
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I would suggest volume of container traffic to Felixstowe makes Anglia different on the freight side. There is the diversionary route via Ely, but then there are a whole lot of other maintenance possessions that have to be moved to accommodate. Meanwhile when the HOBC works between Ipswich and Haughley, some freight may have to be diverted via Stratford, causing similar issues elsewhere.

Are you suggesting it is more intensively used than the WCML?

Meanwhile the passengers - this is a busy route, especially at the south end. It is not just the last and first trains affected if you are to get the required productivity out of the HOBC. When has the HOBC been tried so close to London before?

Are you suggesting it is more intensively used than the WCML? It works close to London all the time - hell one of the things lives at Willesden!

The HOBC not only blocks one line, it requires precise timing of short possessions of the adjacent line to set up. Get this wrong and the best planned timetable will fail.

but that happens every day up and down the country for all manner of different maintenance tasks. It is nothing out of the ordinary.

Unfortunately the other thing that makes Anglia different (or maybe not) is NR's track record this year on giving up possessions to time. Yes the media were critical, and while you may not like the style of their reporting, rightly so.

Sadly engineering works over run for all manner of reasons - often entirely out of the control of the site team. The fractured nature of the industry and the very limited access windows make it worse.

The train can only handle a few hundred metres of track per shift - which means that the area of track to be treated each night (even including overruns for the massively long train) is likely to be shorter than the length of track that becomes unavailable in order for it to work.

Which is much longer than a gang of blokes doing it by hand. Nearly a 1KM of track per night on a regular basis in a 6 hour window ( including set up and take down times) is quite good!

So having multiple trains working in parallel on the same line would reduce the total amount of disruption required to complete the works.

I am not sure that is realistic - For instance it takes no consideration of the logistical operation required to service such a train
 

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Hands up anyone that knows what happens when the HOBC is working, and I mean EXACTLY how it works!

There seem to be quite a few people posting opinion as fact!
 

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Originally Posted by 306024
I would suggest volume of container traffic to Felixstowe makes Anglia different on the freight side. There is the diversionary route via Ely, but then there are a whole lot of other maintenance possessions that have to be moved to accommodate. Meanwhile when the HOBC works between Ipswich and Haughley, some freight may have to be diverted via Stratford, causing similar issues elsewhere.
Are you suggesting it is more intensively used than the WCML?
The WCML is quad-tracked* way out to Colwich - run the HOBC on one of the slow lines and (at night) put the freights on the fast, and vice versa.
The GEML is double-track from as close in as Shenfield - roughly equivalent to Watford Jn - so, as '306024' said, any work requires major freight diversions. Not comparable.


*Ok, there's a triple bit somewhere on the TV. I don't care.
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Hands up anyone that knows what happens when the HOBC is working, and I mean EXACTLY how it works!

There seem to be quite a few people posting opinion as fact!

Raises hand. (Having managed the bl**dy thing).

The reasons Anglia is 'different' in this context have been largely explained. In summary:

1) Geology. Ballast cleaners (high output or otherwise) do not like clay under the ballast as it clogs them up. The GEML is almost exclusively built on the stuff. Less of an issue for the track renewals system (TRS) which does the sleepers and rails.

2) Train service. The GEML Shenfield - Colchester is the most intensively used 2 track mixed traffic railway in the country. Intercity, outer suburban, heavy freight, fast freight. There is no maintenance overnight in the week unless trains are cancelled / diverted or heavily delayed through use of bidi signalling. To get the machine finished and clear of site by the morning peak means cancelling a whole load of trains from Liverpool St after 2100. This becomes somewhat easier if the work is north of Haughley Jn.

Re slab track. Properly installed ballasted track can be easily maintained for 20 years without having to disrupt any train services, so long as you can have 6 hours on a Sunday morning occasionally for tamping. The only times there is a case for slab track in this country is if gauge clearance is critical and/or you want to run a near 24/7 service, and / or you are in a tunnel where it effectively forms part of the tunnel itself.
 
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