High Peak Discussion

[tram21]

Starting a new thread as to not go off topic on the Trentbarton thread.

Well high peak is the operator for transpeak, could possible see an eVoRa on transpeak soon enough, some are due this year…

Does anyone have more details on this? Have High Peak ordered some Evoras?

 

[JD2168]

Evora’s would be great on TransPeak, would be better suited that the Enviro 200’s that are used at the moment. After the double deckers that appeared a few years ago could some of these make a return on more busier journeys?

 

[florence]

There's been that many rumours over the past 12 months about new buses that I wouldn't believe anything until a bus actually entered service. It's worth pointing out that 805 was repainted into Transpeak livery not that long ago.

I don't believe double deckers will happen again without some significant investment. For a start, the bus wash at Dove Holes does not fit double deckers.

I'd also be cautious of any diversionary routes; just one example of a common diversion is when the A6 is shut between Belper and Matlock Bath (normally due to RTCs at Ambergate or on any of the bends around Whatstandwell). Currently, it's easy enough to just follow the 6.1 route out of Belper; however the low structure at Strutt's North Mill does not have the required clearance to allow double deckers.

Also, passenger numbers just aren't what they used to be. Standing loads aren't uncommon, especially on Sundays and Mondays (Monday being Bakewell Market Day); but it's unusual for anyone to actually get left behind.

In other news - service 62 launched today (Buxton-Castleton via Edale) and was fairly well loaded. Hopefully it continues, it's a very enjoyable and scenic run.

 

[tram21]

In other news - service 62 launched today (Buxton-Castleton via Edale) and was fairly well loaded. Hopefully it continues, it's a very enjoyable and scenic run.

I'll be riding it tomorrow so good to hear its fun!

If advertised enough then it would be perfect for walkers, and is good for connecting onto the Peak Sightseer if you time it right, but it's quite infrequent and doesn't seem to link with trains (which to be fair may not have been the intention). Edale is very difficult to get to other than the train, and is great for walks, so it's a welcome addition!

 

[zakky1.0]

Does anyone have more details on this? Have High Peak ordered some Evoras?

I’ve been told by a friend at high peak that some are on order to displace the citaros & versas from skyline & they’ll no doubt appear on transpeak (explaining my comment).

Going by the plan if the eVoRas do appear, transpeak will be solely citaro operated, the ADLs & Versas will be sent to other depots.

Should be an interesting year for high peak, one of the better Derbyshire operators (with hulleys it’s not hard to be better)

 

[M60lad]

To be honest after riding on one the other week, Citaros do seem an ideal bus for Trans Peak. I had 805 (Trans Peak liveried) from Buxton and it was quite quick and didn't seem to have any problems with the route whatsoever.

 

[Trainman40083]

I’ve been told by a friend at high peak that some are on order to displace the citaros & versas from skyline & they’ll no doubt appear on transpeak (explaining my comment).

Going by the plan if the eVoRas do appear, transpeak will be solely citaro operated, the ADLs & Versas will be sent to other depots.

Should be an interesting year for high peak, one of the better Derbyshire operators (with hulleys it’s not hard to be better)

Certainly get some variety on the TransPeak. Seen new Enviro 200MMCs, Versas and Citaros in Skyline livery. Fun sized Enviro 545, plus other Enviro 200s, even Solos.

 

[Robertj21a]

Evora’s would be great on TransPeak, would be better suited that the Enviro 200’s that are used at the moment. After the double deckers that appeared a few years ago could some of these make a return on more busier journeys?

Wasn't there just the one double deck used - until it lost the roof ?

 

[Trainman40083]

Wasn't there just the one double deck used - until it lost the roof ?

Indeed there was

 

[Tetchytyke]

Should be an interesting year for high peak, one of the better Derbyshire operators (with hulleys it’s not hard to be better)

My experience in May was not positive. They had a clapped out E200 on TransPeak and they had the Citaro on Buxton town services. One may assume the Citaro had issues and was being confined to local duties.

It’ll be interesting if the Evoras replace the older E200s or if they replace the Citaros. But knowing Centrebus they’ll probably replace the E200MMCs and Transpeak will keep the clapped out original E200s.

 

[Redmike]

The High peak Twitter account seems to have disappeared.

 

[liamf656]

Not sure which thread this belongs in, but Notts & Derby Versa 823 did a round trip on Transpeak last night, presumably to cover for a breakdown

 

[Trainman40083]

Not sure which thread this belongs in, but Notts & Derby Versa 823 did a round trip on Transpeak last night, presumably to cover for a breakdown

Anyone might think that High Peak Citaro 805 gave up in Derby, seeing 823 to the rescue. Driver Florence always has a plan B.

 

[florence]

Anyone might think that High Peak Citaro 805 gave up in Derby, seeing 823 to the rescue. Driver Florence always has a plan B.

Indeed I do - there is a long gap between the 1635 and the 1810 so even with the resulting 45 minute delay it was worth running the service.

 

[florence]

Two new Optare Solo Slimlines have arrived here; 3001 YJ24 BMY and 3002 YJ24 BMZ. Both wear standard fleet livery.

Of note is that they are the first Centrebus group vehicles to carry 4 digit fleet numbers.

 

[zakky1.0]

Of note is that they are the first Centrebus group vehicles to carry 4 digit fleet numbers.

seems oddly pointless, unless a fleet renumbering is going to happen?

 

[Simon75]

seems oddly pointless, unless a fleet renumbering is going to happen?

Unless they plan to buy the Wellglade share out ?

 

[liamf656]

Unless they plan to buy the Wellglade share out ?

I can't imagine that would mean anything with fleet numbering. My assumption is that the Centrebus fleet is expanding and it's difficult to allocate 3 digit fleet numbers and it'll eventually switch over to 4 digit

 

[joieman]

Unless they plan to buy the Wellglade share out ?

All the vehicles are already in Centrebus's existing fleet numbering system.

I can't imagine that would mean anything with fleet numbering. My assumption is that the Centrebus fleet is expanding and it's difficult to allocate 3 digit fleet numbers and it'll eventually switch over to 4 digit

As it is, the 5xx numbers predominantly for ADL Enviro200s is quite full, which has resulted in a batch of Enviros from Uno being numbered at the end of the vacant 4xx series.

 

[Trainman40083]

Even Go Ahead group is going for a national (5 digit) numbering system. Surprised Arriva didn't.

 

[Hyebone]

Even Go Ahead group is going for a national (5 digit) numbering system. Surprised Arriva didn't.

Arriva? National fleet numbering system? Next joke please!

I joke, mostly. Their fleet numbering system (or lack thereof) does annoy me as a "neurodivergent" person.

Back on topic:

I was in Matlock bath yesterday (X17 related shenanigans) and one of the Transpeak branded Enviro200s roared past. It didn't sound like a standard Enviro200.

Pardon the waffle. My question is what size engine do the Transpeak Enviro200s (Fleet numbers 525-8) have?

 

[florence]

My question is what size engine do the Transpeak Enviro200s (Fleet numbers 525-8) have?

They have 6 cylinder 6.7 Cummins engines in. The same applies to fleet liveried 510 and 592. The only 4 cylinder engined examples at High Peak are 506 and 545.

 

[Trainman40083]

They have 6 cylinder 6.7 Cummins engines in. The same applies to fleet liveried 510 and 592. The only 4 cylinder engined examples at High Peak are 506 and 545.

Ah, rattlebox 506.

 

[liamf656]

New info is that the two Solos with 4 digit fleet numbers will be the only ones so far, and no further changes to the current fleet numbering will take place across Centrebus. The reason the two Solos are numbered as they are is the phase over onto a new internal system, so I can only assume any more buses brought into the company from now on will also be 4 digit

 

[Cowley]

Thread reopened for @tram21 to update

 

[tram21]

As mentioned in the Hulleys of Baslow discussion, High Peak have announced they are taking on the 170 between Calow, Chesterfield, Holymoorside, Chatsworth and Bakewell.

https://www.highpeakbuses.com/bus-services/170/

High Peak Buses is pleased to announce that it will be taking over the operation of the 170 local bus service from the 27th March 2025 ensuring that local residents continue to have access to essential transport links.

This decision comes following the unfortunate closure of Hulley’s of Baslow, which has left uncertainty surrounding the future of the route. Recognising the importance of this service to the community, High Peak Buses has worked closely with local authorities and stakeholders to ensure a smooth transition and minimal disruption for passengers.

David Brookes, Managing Director at High Peak, said: "The 170 local bus route provides an important link between Bakewell and Chesterfield and we understand how vital the service is to those who rely on it. Our priority is to deliver a reliable and high-quality service for passengers, and we are committed to integrating this route into our network as seamlessly as possible”

Passengers can expect the same route and timetable initially, with further improvements under review to enhance reliability and accessibility.

From Thursday 27th March, we will be operating the 170 Bakewell - Chesterfield Royal Hospital service, via Pilsley, Chatsworth House, Baslow, Wadshelf, Holymoorside, Brampton, Chesterfield, Spital, Hady.

However, seemingly unintentionally, a 'bus war' has been created, with Stagecoach also registering the service. So it'll be interesting to see which service lasts!

 

[47550]

As mentioned in the Hulleys of Baslow discussion, High Peak have announced they are taking on the 170 between Calow, Chesterfield, Holymoorside, Chatsworth and Bakewell.

However, seemingly unintentionally, a 'bus war' has been created, with Stagecoach also registering the service. So it'll be interesting to see which service lasts

Indeed - the departure times from Chesterfield are close together as well !

 

[JD2168]

How are the drivers going to do the changeovers? Is it a pool car from Dove Holes or change over using the TransPeak?

 

[ALEMASTER]

Indeed - the departure times from Chesterfield are close together as well !

Evenly spaced from Bakewell though with a bus every 30 minutes.

High Peak going all the way to Chesterfield Royal Hospital at Calow whilst Stagecoach terminate at Chesterfield station.

Also only High Peak are going via Holymoorside, except at school times.

How are the drivers going to do the changeovers? Is it a pool car from Dove Holes or change over using the TransPeak?

I did wonder that, it is notable there are long layovers in Bakewell.

 

[Teapot42]

I did wonder that, it is notable there are long layovers in Bakewell.

Initially they've just mirrored the Hulleys timetable. They interworked the 178 with the 170 so it wasn't really a layover. I wonder if High Peak will adjust things over time to give a more balanced layover at both ends? Hulleys always seemed to struggle with not being able to recover the (common) delays picked up on the way in to Chesterfield. Indeed it wasn't uncommon for the trip out to the Hospital to get dropped to make back time.

I also wonder if they'll incorporate the empty movement for the U4 to/from Bolsover to offer extra trips. It could help avoid early / late trips in the 'wrong' direction to get buses where they need to be for the peak flows.