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AlastairFraser

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Yes they will, the reason why the 62 takes the route it does is because the depot didn't want to run Solos up Winnats Pass in the winter and weren't entirely keen in the summer, besides which Winnats Pass is narrower and steeper than anything the 199 goes round. Stagecoach may be happy taking open top deckers round, which are shorter and more maneuverable than a 12-metre sd, in the summer and that is their business but doesn't mean others are happy doing it under different circumstances with different vehicles, timetables & service patterns and I know they get complaints about it as a number were made to High Peak asking us to tell them to stop as the road isn't suitable due to a joint leaflet for the tourist services around Castleton being issued with both operators details on (and they may have confused the bus operator details with the local council).
I could see the case for a different route in winter, but I would dispute that the width of the road means that it is a non-starter. As I said, the 199 heads through roads that barely fit the bus on a good day!
 
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Teapot42

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I could see the case for a different route in winter, but I would dispute that the width of the road means that it is a non-starter. As I said, the 199 heads through roads that barely fit the bus on a good day!
Hulleys often used Evoras on the 257 when it ran via Winnats without any trouble. The biggest issue you get is when some cyclist decides to be a hero and crawls up at 2mph holding all the traffic up as the road isn't wide enough to overtake safely. There is a good case for a foot and cycle path being built beside the road to be honest.
 

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Hulleys often used Evoras on the 257 when it ran via Winnats without any trouble. The biggest issue you get is when some cyclist decides to be a hero and crawls up at 2mph holding all the traffic up as the road isn't wide enough to overtake safely. There is a good case for a foot and cycle path being built beside the road to be honest.
Great then, shouldn't be an issue, apart from in winter. I don't think the PDNP would permit a shared use path alongside sadly, due to concerns about the impact on the landscape.
 

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Yes they will, the reason why the 62 takes the route it does is because the depot didn't want to run Solos up Winnats Pass
Great then, shouldn't be an issue, apart from in winter. I don't think the PDNP would permit a shared use path alongside sadly, due to concerns about the impact on the landscape.
I guess makes sence although hulleys evoras used it but was wondering why they don't just take the 62 up there into chapel then buxton as it saves about 20 mins and edale don't really need a bus due to train and they can still serve mam tor along the main road and potentially blue John cavern where stagecoach peak sightseer turns around the turning circle by the main road which I think makes more sence as they can use the bsip from the 62 and extend the 272 they now run from sheffield to chaple then buxton which may allow connections for manchester.
Is the PDNP peak district national park if so what duristiction do they have in having a shared bus path between 62 and stagecoach? Do they just block the registration for the new route?

Any news on when the evoras high peak are aplenty getting this year are comming?
 

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I guess makes sence although hulleys evoras used it but was wondering why they don't just take the 62 up there into chapel then buxton as it saves about 20 mins and edale don't really need a bus due to train and they can still serve mam tor along the main road and potentially blue John cavern where stagecoach peak sightseer turns around the turning circle by the main road which I think makes more sence as they can use the bsip from the 62 and extend the 272 they now run from sheffield to chaple then buxton which may allow connections for manchester.
Is the PDNP peak district national park if so what duristiction do they have in having a shared bus path between 62 and stagecoach? Do they just block the registration for the new route?

Any news on when the evoras high peak are aplenty getting this year are comming?
There’s no train from Buxton / Chapel to Edale so the bus is very useful. When I’ve seen it there have been quite a few walkers getting off at Edale.
 

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I guess makes sence although hulleys evoras used it but was wondering why they don't just take the 62 up there into chapel then buxton as it saves about 20 mins and edale don't really need a bus due to train and they can still serve mam tor along the main road and potentially blue John cavern where stagecoach peak sightseer turns around the turning circle by the main road which I think makes more sence as they can use the bsip from the 62 and extend the 272 they now run from sheffield to chaple then buxton which may allow connections for manchester.
Is the PDNP peak district national park if so what duristiction do they have in having a shared bus path between 62 and stagecoach? Do they just block the registration for the new route?

Any news on when the evoras high peak are aplenty getting this year are comming?
One of the important links has ended up as the to/from Edale Station for Castleton & Mam Tor as well as a Buxton/Chapel to/from Castleton link so even if the depot acquiesced to Winnats Pass a extension up to Edale Station would still be wanted which makes issues interworking with the 272. A point to remember on this is that High Peak don't run all the 272 (& it isn't alternate trips which would give an even timetable) and whilst First exist you can't necessarily make a useful or workable timetable that runs to Buxton that fits schedules, resources and needs for both halves.

I'm not sure where this certainty that High Peak are getting Evoras comes from, there is a big batch for the group due this year but no firm allocation ever existed, there was an initial idea of almost every depot getting a pair but that was never likely to be the final plan and other orders have since been made and services have been gained which change the balance of orders. They may turn up, they may be replaced by something else or they may not receive anything.
 

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I'm not sure where this certainty that High Peak are getting Evoras comes from, there is a big batch for the group due this year but no firm allocation ever existed, there was an initial idea of almost every depot getting a pair but that was never likely to be the final plan and other orders have since been made and services have been gained which change the balance of orders. They may turn up, they may be replaced by something else or they may not receive ananything.
I was under the impression that Dove Holes won't be getting any of the Evora allocation
 

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I was under the impression that Dove Holes won't be getting any of the Evora allocation
Last I heard they weren't as the original plan had changed but I can't guarantee that someone won't change the plan again or circumstances change the requirements. Any plan may change until the buses arrive depending on the needs of the business. They are due some new buses of their own this year, the two short E200MMCs are only on loan from Leicester, but what & when has changed a couple of times so details are unclear.
 

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New buses have materialised in the form of two new Solo SRs, 3003/4 (YJ25 EFC/D). As a result, Solo M710SE 238 (YJ07 VRW) has been withdrawn.

On the 272, fleet liveried Citaros 804/9 are the regular performers, however due to vehicle reliability issues one of the two 8.9m E200MMCs (5009/10) have been working the shorter of the two running boards.
 

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Seems to be a good few weeks at Dove Holes, an E200 MMC has arrived today in base red colours (seemingly for skyline). YX25 OJW (another has arrived but currently waiting for the reg)

797 is also on loan to HP.
 

aswilliamsuk

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Seems to be a good few weeks at Dove Holes, an E200 MMC has arrived today in base red colours (seemingly for skyline). YX25 OJW (another has arrived but currently waiting for the reg)

797 is also on loan to HP.
Bus Lists on the Web lists the other as YX25OJV, although that said, that and OJW are shown as for D&G there!
 

AlastairFraser

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I guess makes sence although hulleys evoras used it but was wondering why they don't just take the 62 up there into chapel then buxton as it saves about 20 mins and edale don't really need a bus due to train and they can still serve mam tor along the main road and potentially blue John cavern where stagecoach peak sightseer turns around the turning circle by the main road which I think makes more sence as they can use the bsip from the 62 and extend the 272 they now run from sheffield to chaple then buxton which may allow connections for manchester.
Is the PDNP peak district national park if so what duristiction do they have in having a shared bus path between 62 and stagecoach? Do they just block the registration for the new route?

Any news on when the evoras high peak are aplenty getting this year are comming?
Edale's links are useful as others have said, walkers heading for Kinder Scout and Castleton in the other direction. I can't see extension of the 272 all the way to Buxton going down well with Stagecoach, plus Chapel is a better hub for passengers (shorter ride to Manchester Airport/Stockport/Hazel Grove) and High Peak (easier to reach from Dove Holes depot with several routes a smaller bus can get up I believe, while Dove Holes depot into Buxton only has one real way in down the virtual car park that is Fairfield Road without miles of diversions).
 

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and it would not be advisable to send a large bus via it at say 7am on a January morning.
Then they’ll divert the service like any other operator would on any other unsuitable road in icy conditions. For example - Stagecoach Oldham don’t serve the top of sholver on their 82s in Icy weather.
Hulleys often used Evoras on the 257 when it ran via Winnats without any trouble.
Amen to that. As one of the regular 257c drivers theres absolutely no issues with taking a bus up winnats pass if you actually know the size of your vehicle - those that don’t so well can expect to be waiting all day as theres absolutely no chance anyone is waiting to let you up!
From a commercial stance, winnats pass is a very good idea. Lots of passengers would get on the bus just to have a ride up and down as walking doesn’t appeal to everybody.
It was actually planned at one point to extend the 272 to glossop on weekdays under hulleys but then the 6 occured and the rest is history…
 

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