Holiday / days off

[Leebob34]

Question for MTR people really .i was told that during the managers interview for every 8 weeks worked you get 2 weeks off but In the contract it states 29 days annual leave !
So my question is this ... Are the 29 days annual leave on top of the 2 weeks off you get after 8 weeks on ,if so that's a lot of holiday and time off ..

 

[ComUtoR]

It should be on top as annual leave is considered to be time away from work where you would normally be booked.

The 2 weeks of is clever rostering. If you work a 4 day week then you have 3 days off. If you rostered a 5 day week then each additional day will accrue a week every 4 weeks. and two weeks every 8

Hope that clarifies it.

 

[WCMLaddict]

Yes, we all get a lot of time off. I can't comment on MTR as I don't work there and don't know rest day patterns or working week length but 2 for 8 sounds possible.
At Northern we have 35h over 4 day week and Sundays out off that. We get 5 day long weekend every 3 weeks

 

[Leebob34]

Not sure I really understand how it all works tbh,I was told during the interview but I can't remember as it was quite some time ago now .lets say for example im working a 4 day week so I'll have 3 days off a week so how does this as add up to having 2 weeks off after 8 . If just seems like it's an awful amount of time off ,it would be nearly 4 months in total with the 29 days !! Haha that can't be right ....can it

 

[WCMLaddict]

Oh yes it can
With 10 or 15 years of service and additional days off from that, we get pretty much half a year off...

 

[Leebob34]

Oh yes it can
With 10 or 15 years of service and additional days off from that, we get pretty much half a year off...

Wow, that's bloody brilliant, didn't realise just how much time off drivers get ,obviously I was told during interview but didn't want to spend to much time on that as was worried they might think I was there for the perks etc, that's unreal

 

[D1939]

I thought I was told in my dmi that you work 8 weeks get two off but those two weeks are made up of your annual leave for the year. You end up with 9 days ad hoc.

 

[ComUtoR]

Its basic maths

52 weeks per year. (156 days off / 208 days on) You get 43% of the year off.

4 day week for 8 weeks (24 days off / 32 days on)
5 day week for 8 weeks (16 days off / 40 days on)

Over 8 weeks you work an additional 8 days. If your on a 4 day week then that's 2 weeks off.

 

[D1939]

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[whoosh]

29 Days Annual leave, with 20 of those days rostered within the link. That means they form part of the two weeks off. The rest of the two weeks off is from some of the eight weeks at work being 5 day weeks instead of 4, and the missing rest days 'banked' or 'carried over' to form a block of time off.

This leaves 9 days 'ad-hoc' leave. However if you are not a Rest Day on Christmas Day you'd need to keep a day in hand for that.
All other Bank Holidays are normal working days, with no day in lieu and paying 'normal time', with the exception of Boxing Day (looks like there'll be a service running!) which is 'triple time' but still no day in lieu.

That's my understanding of the Crossrail Terms & Conditions. The eight weeks on, two weeks off is an unusual way of doing things and stems from the original Great Eastern franchise.

 

[ComUtoR]

29 Days Annual leave, with 20 of those days rostered within the link. That means they form part of the two weeks off.

You would need to have a link where you would be guaranteed to get the time of. eg. a 52 line link with 4 weeks of leave. The other 48 weeks can then only have 168 days of work as the 20 days leave must come from the 208 days per year you are expected to be at work. Leave days are days off from booked work.

The rest of the two weeks off is from some of the eight weeks at work being 5 day weeks instead of 4, and the missing rest days 'banked' or 'carried over' to form a block of time off.

Which is what I highlighted.

I have rostered leave weeks but they are calendar weeks on a rotation basis. If would be unfair if it was fixed for the same week every year.; which is what would happen if it was in the base link. I can understand the confusion between a roster week and a base roster

If it was indeed part of the base roster then you have a further complication when you need to reduce and increase the establishment. We currently have a 60+ link so I would never get through it in a year. If the rostered leave week fell down the bottom then I would not get my full years leave, which is not legal. Vice versa if the link was a small 10 line link then I would go through it 5 times in a year and potentially get additional leave I'm not entitled to.

The 8 week on 2 off is very tempting for when Crossrail hits our side so I'd live to hear concrete information and see how they are using the links.

 

[D1939]

Does anyone know if you could add some of your ad hoc days to your two weeks off and have three weeks off at once?

 

[GB]

Yes you can. You should also be able to move rostered to leave to another week if that week is free.

*I moved my 2 week summer leave this year and tagged it onto the end of my winter leave. All 3 weeks followed a week of rest days so effectively I had four weeks off.

*Some companies don't like you moving seasonal leave to the next season and mine is starting to clamp down on it so I hear.

 

[D1939]

Thanks mate. Promised the wife and kids three weeks in Disney in a few years time. If not, two weeks will have to do!

 

[Leebob34]

So what we saying then ? 29 days is the holiday including the 2 weeks off ?

 

[greatkingrat]

No, instead of working 10 4-day weeks (40 days total), you work 8 5-day weeks and 2 0-day weeks (still 40 days total). It is just rearranging your rest days so they all come together.

Annual leave entitlement is separate.

 

[Phillbob]

From what I was told in my interview, is that it was mixed with rest days and holiday. Then we was left with a few days to decide when we want off ourselves. I think it was 9 days, there or thereabouts.

 

[mike14]

That's what I was told too, the 8 weeks will be a mix of 4 and 5 days working weeks with the 2 weeks off a mix of annual leave and rest days carried over from the 5 day weeks.

 

[Leebob34]

Ok thanks .

 

[306024]

You would need to have a link where you would be guaranteed to get the time of. eg. a 52 line link with 4 weeks of leave........

The 8 week on 2 off is very tempting for when Crossrail hits our side so I'd live to hear concrete information and see how they are using the links.

You can't have a 52 line link, the staff reps would position themselves in the roster to be off at Christmas and New Year every year

The 8 weeks on 2 weeks off roster is indeed a carry on from the First Great Eastern manning agreement. 20 days of the annual leave allocation is put into the base roster, so there is no such thing as an annual leave roster. Rosters are made up in multiples of 10 lines. The number of diagrams allocated to a depot should ideally lead to a roster of say 10, 20, 30 etc lines.

So for example if the diagrammed work calculates to an establishment of 48 drivers, that would be a 50 line roster with two lines without names against them. It all averages out to a 35 hour week, just arrived at by a different route.