How common is it for a Class 800 to push an 801 around?

[Metal_gee_man]

I mainly ask because there are engineering works between Hitchin and Peterborough this weekend and LNER are diverting some trains round via Letchworth, Cambridge, Ely and then onto unelectrified track to Peterborough, whilst I guess the 800 will do it, I can't imagine it'll be too happy about if the train is busy due to no TL services or other LNER services between Kings Cross and Peterborough.
How much support with the single engine on the 801 offer?

 

[skyhigh]

Until December at least (not sure if it has continued since the timetable change) an 800/801 combo was booked to work King's Cross to Harrogate, with the Leeds-Harrogate section not electrified. Seemed to work fine.

 

[Bald Rick]

Regular occurrence.

(And the trains won’t be anywhere near full!)

 

[Metal_gee_man]

Until December at least (not sure if it has continued since the timetable change) an 800/801 combo was booked to work King's Cross to Harrogate, with the Leeds-Harrogate section not electrified. Seemed to work fine.

And I suspect the inclines from Leeds to Harrogate are a bit steeper than the Fens of Cambridgeshire, Thank you, it just seemed unusual....and it's not

Regular occurrence.

(And the trains won’t be anywhere near full!)

I'd disagree as there are only 14 direct services or an hourly service between 8am and 8pm today, will anyone want to travel to Ely on a 387, then switch to a randomly generated EMR unit or maybe if the times are right a nice 755 whatever is running from Ely.

 

[swt_passenger]

800/801 pairs were also routinely used on weekend diversions between Newcastle and Carlisle, during the recent autumn period. I’m sure it worked fine, it’ll have been mentioned in one of the threads somewhere...

 

[Metal_gee_man]

800/801 pairs were also routinely used on weekend diversions between Newcastle and Carlisle, during the recent autumn period. I’m sure it worked fine, it’ll have been mentioned in one of the threads somewhere...

I just guess they aren't the quickest and a bit noisy to keep the speeds up

 

[big all]

I mainly ask because there are engineering works between Hitchin and Peterborough this weekend and LNER are diverting some trains round via Letchworth, Cambridge, Ely and then onto unelectrified track to Peterborough, whilst I guess the 800 will do it, I can't imagine it'll be too happy about if the train is busy due to no TL services or other LNER services between Kings Cross and Peterborough.
How much support with the single engine on the 801 offer? View attachment 88390

about the same power to weight as a deltic on 6 or 7 coaches so may struggle

 

[supervc-10]

Until December at least (not sure if it has continued since the timetable change) an 800/801 combo was booked to work King's Cross to Harrogate, with the Leeds-Harrogate section not electrified. Seemed to work fine.

Do they not divide the train at Leeds, leaving the 801 there? I could have sworn I'd read something along those lines.

 

[DannyMich2018]

I just guess they aren't the quickest and a bit noisy to keep the speeds up

Yes and with just 4 engines for 10 carriages don't think performance is great at all, but I suppose Newcastle to Carlisle isn't a long way and Leeds-Harrogate shorter with low line speeds on this route too not so much of a problem.

 

[Bald Rick]

Yes and with just 4 engines for 10 carriages don't think performance is great at all, but I suppose Newcastle to Carlisle isn't a long way and Leeds-Harrogate shorter with low line speeds on this route too not so much of a problem.

It’s still 3000hp for 10 coaches, with lots of axles motored. That’s plenty for that sort of duty.

 

[DannyMich2018]

It’s still 3000hp for 10 coaches, with lots of axles motored. That’s plenty for that sort of duty.

Yes of course.This flexibility the the whole fleet offers really helps and avoids costly and time consuming drags

 

[swt_passenger]

Do they not divide the train at Leeds, leaving the 801 there? I could have sworn I'd read something along those lines.

There was a thread last summer that emphasised a few posts in, (by quoting FOI’d diagrams), that 2 units (800/801) were normal. I expect splitting was a forum assumption:

Bi-mode and electric 5-car Azumas working in multiple on the Harrogate service

All the Harrogate-Kings Cross services have been reinstated today. I saw the 9.36 departure in Harrogate station today and it comprised of a 5 car bi-mode Azuma 800202 and 5 car electric 801109. I have never seen a bi-mode and an electric coupled together in Harrogate even before the lockdown...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[ic31420]

In the case of an 801 and 800 being tied together for a run over a non electrified route does the single engine on the electric unit provide traction?

In the event an 800 or 801 is running under the wires is the engine constantly preheated or does preheat have to be initiated some point prior to fire up?

 

[YorksLad12]

Do they not divide the train at Leeds, leaving the 801 there? I could have sworn I'd read something along those lines.

There was a thread last summer that emphasised a few posts in, (by quoting FOI’d diagrams), that 2 units (800/801) were normal. I expect splitting was a forum assumption:

Bi-mode and electric 5-car Azumas working in multiple on the Harrogate service

All the Harrogate-Kings Cross services have been reinstated today. I saw the 9.36 departure in Harrogate station today and it comprised of a 5 car bi-mode Azuma 800202 and 5 car electric 801109. I have never seen a bi-mode and an electric coupled together in Harrogate even before the lockdown...

www.railforums.co.uk

At the moment (observations from my eyrie overlooking Leeds Station) the Harrogate trains every two hours are all 5-car throughout. The Leeds terminators are a mix of 9- and 2x5-car.

 

[Halish Railway]

Go to 0:45, the front unit is an 801, the rear one is an 800; You can quite clearly hear the engines on the 800 and the lack thereof on the 801.

 

[Prestige15]

Class 800 coupled with 801 have manage to travel across the Tyne Valley line.

 

[supervc-10]

Interesting to know! Thanks everyone

 

[swt_passenger]

At the moment (observations from my eyrie overlooking Leeds Station) the Harrogate trains every two hours are all 5-car throughout. The Leeds terminators are a mix of 9- and 2x5-car.

Well yes, but a lot has changed in terms of service capacity since last July...