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How many stewards do slam door CDL stock require legally

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Following on from the thread about the abortive footex and its economics
Bookings have opened for a HST hauled train to Wembley from Solihull on 11th May.

Bookings are being done via Retro Railtours - good if you want an afternoon in and around London with some HST haulage action (or to watch the Solihull Moors game!)

Retro Railtours Booking here!

Prices are:
£79 return for standard class
£109 return for first class

Train is consisting of HST Powercars and Mk2 Rolling stock!
It left me wondering , UK rail tours normally have a steward per door , which would be impossible to get cost down to competitive with service trains or coaches with. Is this a legal requirement or part of customer service experience they are going for. Could a slam door CDL train legally run Driver + Guard in 2024?
 
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Greater Anglia ran LHCS Driver + Guard until 2020.
 

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Following on from the thread about the abortive footer and its economics

It left me wondering , UK rail tours normally have a steward per door , which would be impossible to get cost down to competitive with service trains or coaches with. Is this a legal requirement or part of customer service experience they are going for. Could a slam door CDL train legally run Driver + Guard in 2024?

I believe the stewards are there to assist passengers, not as a legal requirement. It would be down to the guard to ensure all doors are properly closed before allowing train dispatch although many charters these days also have a train manager on board.
 

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Passenger carrying non-CDL stock is legally prohibited on railways with speeds >25mph by regulation 5 of the Railway Safety Regulations 1999. However regulation 6 allows the regulator (ORR) to issue exemption certificates which will specify the minimum number of stewards. This is usually (if not always) effectively 1 per coach, though this can be distributed as one steward supervising 2 adjacent vestibules of 2 doors each at the coupling between 2 coaches.

With CDL fitted, there is no legal requirement for stewards, however there is a requirement (though I can’t find the reference) to ensure that human appendages remain inside the vehicle. The operator must have a risk assessment for passenger operation of hinged doors which would likely examine the risk of opening windows and trapped fingers, mitigated by steward operation of doors, with the same numbers as non-CDL.

There is a legal requirement (PRM-TSI on the main line, ROGS elsewhere) for accessibility, which for hinged door stock will also drive a need for stewards.

A few railtour operations run with volunteer stewards, so the cost is effectively nil. (Don’t confuse cost for value!!)
 

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