How will Transport projects fare in the months and years to come

[misterredmist]

Correct
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Even more correct
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Standard right wing rhetoric and complete nonsense - as has been shown many times
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Do you really think so? Many think the Northern Powerhouse concept is nothing more than a pre-election con.

One thing is absolutely certain though - rail projects will be binned while the £15bn road programme will go ahead.

You obviously write your own history...... you should try writing facts
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Well it's some help that the North will have Osbourne batting for it's interests, being the Tatton MP, it's important that somebody at Westminster can try and fight against the easy task of any London Mayor waltzing around the corner and knocking on Number 10....on a regular basis...

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Would Leeds - York allow any existing service to switch from diesel to electric?

I do not think so but could be proved to be wrong.

Not if the schemes reappear in the 2017/18 HLOS for funding in CP6 which I think is likely. The pausing allows resources and man power to be thrown at GW electrification, as that nears completion MML and Transpennine will be back on the agenda.

Exactly my thoughts too.

And, in the case of Transpennine, to give time for NR to work out what really needs to be done to deliver the project requirements in terms of capacity and speed, which we now are told the original project would not do after all (NR having originally said it would). It's possible there may also be some interaction with 'HS3' proposals but I recognise this is less likely.

I think judgement needs to be reserved for a year after which we should expect to see a revised TP project on the table that actually delivers increased capacity and speed, with a robust costing and planning.

Again, I agree.

 

[DarloRich]

You would have to wonder if privatising Network Rail doesnt make a reappearance on the political landscape.

it will - there are some interesting suggestions in ( i think ) modern railways. There is a push is for more devolution to the NR routes and the finances being funneled through the TOC's rather than to NR by direct grant pending the financing review that is being undertaken by the former head of HS1.

Anyone want to guess what that will say?

 

[The Ham]

And, in the case of Transpennine, to give time for NR to work out what really needs to be done to deliver the project requirements in terms of capacity and speed, which we now are told the original project would not do after all (NR having originally said it would). It's possible there may also be some interaction with 'HS3' proposals but I recognise this is less likely.

I think judgement needs to be reserved for a year after which we should expect to see a revised TP project on the table that actually delivers increased capacity and speed, with a robust costing and planning.

Quite, if given the choice between electrification being finished in 2019 or electrification and significant line speed improvements being finished in 2022 I know which would be most beneficial.

Yes there would be a few more years of DMU's, however longer term it would be much more beneficial to do the latter.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Would Leeds - York allow any existing service to switch from diesel to electric?

Just a handful of Leeds-York services that don't run beyond either. I'm personally unconvinced that the local services that currently cross Leeds (Huddersfield to Selby, even Blackpool to York) do so for any reason other than operational convenience and/or historical legacy. On that basis, I don't really see why Leeds to York stoppers couldn't be Doncaster/Skipton/Ilkley/Bradford Forster Square to York stoppers. At risk of sounding like a broken record, Doncaster would be preferable due to having to cross slightly less of the Western throat of Leeds station, even more so if the Holbeck viaduct hadn't been closed.

 

[absolutelymilk]

Just a handful of Leeds-York services that don't run beyond either.

Surely there would be a case for an electrified Leeds-Edinburgh service?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Surely there would be a case for an electrified Leeds-Edinburgh service?

There might well be, and I'd welcome it (it'd save a long run on a Voyager!) but the poster asked what current services could go electric if Leeds to York (technically Neville Hill to Colton Junction) was wired. The answer being not many. The only recent ECML franchise service North/East of Leeds (I assume it still runs) couldn't, as it's an early morning Leeds to Aberdeen HST.

 

[Senex]

Quite, if given the choice between electrification being finished in 2019 or electrification and significant line speed improvements being finished in 2022 I know which would be most beneficial.

Seven years to do significant line-speed improvements? What a condemnation of today's processes and execution. It's much longer than the lines took to build from scratch.

 

[D365]

Seven years to do significant line-speed improvements? What a condemnation of today's processes and execution. It's much longer than the lines took to build from scratch.

... Guess what. They didn't need evening/weekend track possessions. Little-to-no risk from overrunning engineering works as the traffic didn't exist. Similar comparison can be made with HS2 vs. WCML 'alternative upgrades'.

 

[Class 170101]

Would Leeds - York allow any existing service to switch from diesel to electric?

The routes could be rejigged to make better use of the new infrastructure.
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I don't really see why Leeds to York stoppers couldn't be Doncaster/Skipton/Ilkley/Bradford Forster Square to York stoppers. At risk of sounding like a broken record, Doncaster would be preferable due to having to cross slightly less of the Western throat of Leeds station, even more so if the Holbeck viaduct hadn't been closed.

I can't see Leeds Western throat being a deciding factor in whether its Bradford or Doncaster services extended to York.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The routes could be rejigged to make better use of the new infrastructure.
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I can't see Leeds Western throat being a deciding factor in whether its Bradford or Doncaster services extended to York.

Not solely, no... But any changes to current service patterns will have both positive and negative effects which will need to be taken into consideration. Though of course without the Holbeck viaduct (which realistically won't reopen, it may even be in the way of HS2 works) there isn't a huge difference between the two in terms of conflicts.

The bigger issue might be objections about Calder Valley/Copy Pit services no longer running beyond Leeds in order to allow Leeds to York locals to go electric.