HS2 and the ECML major stops

[edwin_m]

Nottingham to Doncaster can use the Grantham line (electrified for those Nottingham to ECML services that some commentators question) and a restored Bottesford to Newark line. It's all about connectivity. Once you get ALL cities and large towns connected, it isn't difficult to get a large reduction in average journey time. We see the network as it is, built piecemeal and fragmented by closures. We should see it should be, a railway for all.

Much as I'd like Nottingham to have a better service to the North-East, a routeing via Bottesford is very indirect and would make a London-Doncaster train via HS2 no quicker than via the ECML. A north to west curve at Newark might be a bit better but would be difficult to build as the Trent and part of the town is in the way.

 

[RichW1]

Or... how about ECML upgrades to 140mph with ETCS and then there's a competition for customers between London and Newcastle. I don't believe HS2 will take any time out of the journey to Newcastle if 140mph is achieved in the 2020's. Then we have a battle for what could be seen as an iconic one in future years as HS2 and ECML battle it out for the custom and privide alternative route options too possibly. ECML takes Cambridge into itself as a loop with every other service going via it? All ideas!

 

[Deerfold]

Couldn't of said that any better. The tram from the City to Toton takes far too long and we all know prices on HS2 will be more expensive. Toton will be another Stratford International: hardly used and everyone uses the main station instead.

How do we know that prices on HS2 will be more expensive? Many commentators expect them to be cheaper.

 

[HSTEd]

Or... how about ECML upgrades to 140mph with ETCS and then there's a competition for customers between London and Newcastle. I don't believe HS2 will take any time out of the journey to Newcastle if 140mph is achieved in the 2020's. Then we have a battle for what could be seen as an iconic one in future years as HS2 and ECML battle it out for the custom and privide alternative route options too possibly. ECML takes Cambridge into itself as a loop with every other service going via it? All ideas!

140mph between London and York will not save enough time to overcome HS2s enormous speed advantage.

Rerouting the ECML via Cambridge is a strange one... the journey time increase would be enormous.

 

[Deerfold]

140mph between London and York will not save enough time to overcome HS2s enormous speed advantage.

Rerouting the ECML via Cambridge is a strange one... the journey time increase would be enormous.

I think it's more likely that there will be a service from Leeds or York to Cambridge (1 or 2 tph) as an earlier poster suggested rather than a huge number of services diverting on their way to London.