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HS2 are "misleading Parliament" about the true cost of the project

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ament-misled-about-true-cost-says-labour-peer

Parliament has been seriously misled by “fiddled” figures about the true cost of HS2, according to the deputy chairman of a review into the project.

In November, Lord Berkeley demanded his name be removed from the review, commissioned by the government, after a leak of its conclusions suggested the line should be built in full.

He has now published his own dissenting assessment, claiming the cost of the line is “completely out of control”. It also concludes HS2 would not benefit the north and the Midlands as ministers have promised.

Speaking to Sky News, Berkeley said the directors of HS2 had “fiddled the figures” to overstate the benefits of the project and minimise the costs. He said the project assumes 18 trains will run on the line every hour, four more than is allowed on high-speed lines in other parts of the world. “The revenue [assumption] is all shot to pieces,” Berkeley said

Berkeley said that while economic modelling by HS2 Ltd had arrived at a conclusion that the benefits of the project would be more than twice its costs, his best estimate was of a benefits-to-costs ratio of less than one, and possibly as low as 0.6, making it “poor value for money”.

He also said plans to build HS2, compared with improving existing lines, were not good for the environment.

Berkeley added: “The real problem is that railways in the regions, in particular the north and the Midlands, are really bad and it is them that need investment for local commuters.

“Getting to London is secondary for most people except for MPs and the managing directors of companies. So attracting business to these areas will be done by improving the commuter services dramatically to make them look more like London services, which are on the whole very good."

The private companies profiting from HS2 are cooking the books and have then cooking the report into how they've cooked the books.

Well, I'm as shocked as you are.

Still, it'll be essential infrastructure for the regions and not a giant white elephant. After all, local rail in the regions isn't sexy and so can't possibly be needed :lol:
 
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Is it really that important to get to Birmingham 20 minutes faster anyway?

I mean, who would want to get to Birmingham 20 minutes quicker anyway? ;)

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Is it really that important to get to Birmingham 20 minutes faster anyway?

I mean, who would want to get to Birmingham 20 minutes quicker anyway? ;)

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in the grand scale of things, no.Not for birmingham in any case.

for HS2, the benefit is supposedly providing a connection between england and scotland that rivals the low cost airlines in terms of price and duration(given check in/check out /security checks etc.)
the ballpark here is london to edinburgh/glasgow in 3 hours...for £120 return within 24 hrs.( much less on advance)

they've certainly got some big boots to fill
 

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HS2 is also suppose to ease capacity on existing lines and yes it can make a differenz for the whole country. There is no real need for flights from Glasgow or Edinburgh into London.
 

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HS2 is also suppose to ease capacity on existing lines and yes it can make a differenz for the whole country. There is no real need for flights from Glasgow or Edinburgh into London.
they are still rammed on sundays/mondays and fridays

there is most definitely a business use for such flights.
 

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Is it really that important to get to Birmingham 20 minutes faster anyway?

I mean, who would want to get to Birmingham 20 minutes quicker anyway? ;)

#stophs2isaliveagain
If anyone wants to state reasons why they don't want HS2 to be built, please use the following thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...-hs2-and-other-hs2-discussion.177112/page-128

Note: HS2 is not just about speed; it's more about capacity.
 
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