HST coach disposals

[cole_peter5@]

5Z44 ( 43468 43480 ) Ely Papworth Sidings ------- Great Yarmouth Dock.
48101 48103 48113 48115 48125 48131 48132 48133 49101 49107 49111
all for forwarding to Mexico --- long way to go for photographs. Peter.

 

[Southern Dvr]

5Z44 ( 43468 43480 ) Ely Papworth Sidings ------- Great Yarmouth Dock.
48101 48103 48113 48115 48125 48131 48132 48133 49101 49107 49111
all for forwarding to Mexico --- long way to go for photographs. Peter.

Is it confirmed they’re for Mexico or is that speculation?

 

[fgwrich]

Is it confirmed they’re for Mexico or is that speculation?

Deals done, they’re Mexico bound.

 

[adc82140]

Deals done, they’re Mexico bound.

So these are power doored examples. Are we to assume that the slam door ones already sent over are for parts only?

 

[cole_peter5@]

5M98 Laira - St Phillips Marsh --- 43040 48142 48141 48140 49114 43172 ( GW14 )
Power cars and coaches are all de-branded - nameplates removed
Wonder where are these going ---- ??? Peter.

 

[fgwrich]

5M98 Laira - St Phillips Marsh --- 43040 48142 48141 48140 49114 43172 ( GW14 )
Power cars and coaches are all de-branded - nameplates removed
Wonder where are these going ---- ??? Peter.

Ely. As per all the other Angel owned sets. Then...

Viva la Mexico

 

[Smoggy]

Is it confirmed they’re for Mexico or is that speculation?

Speculation, these are not Mexico bound, but are for export. Another 16 to move to Yarmouth by rail by end of the month.

 

[ac6000cw]

5Z44 ( 43468 43480 ) Ely Papworth Sidings ------- Great Yarmouth Dock.
48101 48103 48113 48115 48125 48131 48132 48133 49101 49107 49111
all for forwarding to Mexico --- long way to go for photographs. Peter.

Minor point - the rail haul is to the carriage sidings just west of Gt. Yarmouth station. The Outer Harbour is about 3 miles away and is not rail connected.

 

[_toommm_]

Some have been re-liveried already, see X below:

https://x.com/mr_w_snapper/status/1703687430673453203?s=46&t=UmHlD95-SYfKA7aM_oknKw

 

[Poyntz]

Another Ely move tomorrow

Realtime Trains | 5L46 0957 Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings | 26/09/2023

Real-time train running information for 5L46 0957 departure from Laira T.& R.S.M.D. to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings on 26/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

More for export?

 

[cole_peter5@]

NOT MANY LEFT CATCH THEM WHILE YOU CAN.

5Q25 --- 13.32 ST PHILIPS MARSH - GREAT YARMOUTH CARRIAGE SIDINGS --
43040 49114 48140 48141 48142 43172.

( HAULAGE 37609 ) 5L46 --- 09.57 LAIRA MPD - ELY PAPWORTH SIDINGS --
43192 48143 48144 48145 49115 49110 48128 43010.

ARE THEY ALL GOING TO MEXICO ??? Peter.

 

[driverd]

Sorry to ask as this may have been answered elsewhere, but does anyone know exactly how many sets/rakes are destined for Mexico?

Is it confirmed if the cross country sets will be joining those being exported?

 

[cole_peter5@]

it's just a guessing at the moment - no body know what going where ?????? peter

 

[43096]

it's just a guessing at the moment - no body know what going where ?????? peter

People do, but they won’t be posting on here (or anywhere else) because it’s commercially confidential.

 

[driverd]

People do, but they won’t be posting on here (or anywhere else) because it’s commercially confidential.

Sure, but has there not been an official announcement about the export deal or any press release about the number of vehicles etc?

 

[43096]

Sure, but has there not been an official announcement about the export deal or any press release about the number of vehicles etc?

I've not seen anything having been formally published about it. It would most likely be from the Mexico end, rather than here. For the owners it is just another vehicle disposal.

 

[driverd]

I've not seen anything having been formally published about it. It would most likely be from the Mexico end, rather than here. For the owners it is just another vehicle disposal.

Could you elaborate on why vehicle disposals are treated so sensitively? I'm just curious as, atleast from the perspective of someone outside the leasing business, I can't immediately think of a way in which disclosure could compromise the business moving forward?

I suppose that's somewhat typical of railways outside the UK - even as close to home as mainland Europe, rail seems to have a much smaller following and extensive information is much harder to come by. New train fleets must be much less newsworthy in Mexico!

 

[fgwrich]

I can fully understand why everyone involved has been rather secretive regarding the Mexico deal. Tren Maya is seen as a very controversial project by the Mexican people, and with the Mexican Government spending a lot of money on it (and reportedly using military powers as well as it running late), it’s no wonder why public details are scant.

 

[Gag Halfrunt]

The HSTs are going to an entirely separate project, the Ferrocarril del Istmo de Tehuantepec.

As noted earlier in the thread, at least one train is already in "Corriedor Interoceanico" livery.

 

[jadmor]

Speculation, these are not Mexico bound, but are for export. Another 16 to move to Yarmouth by rail by end of the month.

Like Webster's dictionary,

they're Morocco Bound.

 

[43096]

Could you elaborate on why vehicle disposals are treated so sensitively? I'm just curious as, atleast from the perspective of someone outside the leasing business, I can't immediately think of a way in which disclosure could compromise the business moving forward?

In the case of the exports, there may be more than one option for the end buyer (e.g. in Mexico they may well have had a look at ex-Amtrak equipment) so there is sensitivity around it. For normal disposals, why bother? There's no business benefit in it - it's just another transaction. Just because we may be interested as enthusiasts, it doesn't justify the owner making announcements about it.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Does anyone know when the next ship for Mexico is due to arrive ????? Peter.

 

[Poyntz]

The Arklow Raven docked at Soton this evening. I'll keep a watch in case she heads to Yarmouth.

The Arklow Raven docked at Soton this evening. I'll keep a watch in case she heads to Yarmouth.

Sailed to Dublin.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Realtime Trains | 5Q25 1332 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Yarmouth C.H.S. | 04/10/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q25 1332 departure from St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Yarmouth C.H.S. on 04/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

More Mk3s (at least 8) of various types including LNER, EMR and FGW headed by 37608 at Ely

Edit: not sure if this is the right path.

 

[RunRepeat]

Ex-CrossCountry 42036 & 44017 noted on the A14 eastbound passing Cambridge this afternoon.

 

[43096]

Ex-CrossCountry 42036 & 44017 noted on the A14 eastbound passing Cambridge this afternoon.

Thank you for reporting that. It’s the sort of move that gets missed.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Sorry the Arklow Raven has left Southampton and now underway next port of call his Dublin _____ Peter.

 

[Poyntz]

Sorry the Arklow Raven has left Southampton and now underway next port of call his Dublin _____ Peter.

Yes, indeed. There is nothing showing up as due to arrive there that could take this sort of cargo. Will keep watching!

 

[adc82140]

Ex-CrossCountry 42036 & 44017 noted on the A14 eastbound passing Cambridge this afternoon.

From my limited local geographic knowledge, would these be Yarmouth bound rather than Ely bound?

 

[Poyntz]

From my limited local geographic knowledge, would these be Yarmouth bound rather than Ely bound?

Yes, they'd already be well past Ely.