Hulley's of Baslow

[JD2168]

They’re currently operating a 257.1/257.2/257.3, as the route currently has some major roadworks & is causing issues.

I do agree with the lack of information on Social media, but then again this is hardly surprising with hulleys.

Roadworks at Grindleford until September by Severn Trent Water, it has also meant the Peak Sightseer bus to Mam Tor is diverted via Owler Bar. There is a shuttle bus service between Bamford & Grindleford.

Details are on Derbyshire website, a temporary timetable is available to view on Hulleys website & is linked from www.travelsouthyorkshire.com as well.

 

[Teapot42]

257 - Sheffield - Derwent Dams - Bamford

Andrews of Tideswell

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I wonder if that is still current? There was also a shuttle linked with the road closure at Bradwell which affected the 271/2 and 173. Now that is resolved there is no purpose in the shuttle extending beyond Eyam, however as the road only reopened a few days ago, seemingly at short notice, I suspect they've not had time to think about how they revise this arrangement.

One thing that seems odd is that the diversion only actually adds a few minutes to running time. It should be possible to just tweak the timetable and carry on as before - there is recovery at both ends. The only reason I can think for the central section to only run 2-hourly is lack of spare discs.

 

[zakky1.0]

Seems some new vehicles for Hulleys are on the way, both are 74 plates so seems they won’t be around for another month.

YX74 ODM/YX74 ODP

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[Teapot42]

Seems some new vehicles for Hulleys are on the way, both are 74 plates so seems they won’t be around for another month.

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Are these definitely for Hulleys? AIUI the Go Coach livery is also changing to this, so they could be for either.

 

[zakky1.0]

A hulleys staff member confirmed new vehicles were arriving soon, so I would assume this is hulleys.

 

[Trainman40083]

A hulleys staff member confirmed new vehicles were arriving soon, so I would assume this is hulleys.

Could see them on the 257

 

[Teapot42]

A hulleys staff member confirmed new vehicles were arriving soon, so I would assume this is hulleys.

Thanks. I was just thinking the other day that while Hulleys are getting a few new vehicles, Go Coach don't seem to be, and if anything their fleet is older on average.

 

[Hyebone]

Seems some new vehicles for Hulleys are on the way, both are 74 plates so seems they won’t be around for another month.

YX74 ODM/YX74 ODP

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Are these 11.8m and 6.7L engine?

 

[zakky1.0]

Are these 11.8m and 6.7L engine?

No, the look like the 10.3m & with it having dealer stock interior it’ll have the same engine as the plain white 23 plate.

 

[m79900]

Solo YK05CAO has been put in the new livery, which wouldn't normally be worth mentioning, but it must be a gudden to bother painting a 19 year old bus!

 

[Trainman40083]

Solo YK05CAO has been put in the new livery, which wouldn't normally be worth mentioning, but it must be a gudden to bother painting a 19 year old bus!

I guess it had to go into fleet livery at some point if they were keeping it. The Solo was built with a design life of 14 years, so some are doing very well.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Solo YK05CAO has been put in the new livery, which wouldn't normally be worth mentioning, but it must be a gudden to bother painting a 19 year old bus!

It was a vehicle that was with one of my local operators, CT Coaches, for about 8 years. It wasn't worked that hard, mainly gentle rural work and tucked up evenings and Sundays (and I think most Saturdays). It was well cared for so it's probably in decent nick

 

[simonsays]

Joke of a company, 272 dropped off his passengers today in Castleton, then just sped off instead of forming the 14:48 , leaving the passengers to hang around for the First service at 16:10 . Resulting in that service being very overcrowded and passengers not been able to board at fox house

 

[Djb1]

Joke of a company, 272 dropped off his passengers today in Castleton, then just sped off instead of forming the 14:48 , leaving the passengers to hang around for the First service at 16:10 . Resulting in that service being very overcrowded and passengers not been able to board at fox house

No defence of the drivers actions but the 1448 doesnt run as far as Fox House. Its a short run to bamford only. So the overcrowding by fox house would entirely for passengers destined to have boarded the 1610

 

[florence]

Joke of a company, 272 dropped off his passengers today in Castleton, then just sped off instead of forming the 14:48 , leaving the passengers to hang around for the First service at 16:10 . Resulting in that service being very overcrowded and passengers not been able to board at fox house

A quick look at bustimes reveals this bus ran dead to Bakewell to form a round journey on the 172; presumably it was deemed better to drop a short journey on the 272 than a full round trip of a more infrequent route.

Not an ideal solution, but sometimes operational circumstances dictate so.

 

[m79900]

2 of the new Enviros have entered service, 7531 YX74ODM, and 7533 YX74ODP.

 

[Trainman40083]

2 of the new Enviros have entered service, 7531 YX74ODM, and 7533 YX74ODP.

They seem to be tracking as fleet number 31 and 33 today

 

[m79900]

They seem to be tracking as fleet number 31 and 33 today

They have the 4 digit numbers painted on though.

 

[SLC001]

Volvo B8RLE MCV Evora Reg No. BV23 NVH won best modern single decker at the Buses Festival last weekend. Looked smart but I learnt that it is used on routes for which it is far too wide. I suspect one or 2 drivers would not prefer to drive them.

 

[SSmith2009]

They have the 4 digit numbers painted on though.

75 is the capacity and 31/33 the fleet number

 

[Teapot42]

I learnt that it is used on routes for which it is far too wide. I suspect one or 2 drivers would not prefer to drive them.

Too long surely? I rode her on the Sunday 257 on the final day over Snake and the young driver didn't have any real problems navigating some pretty narrow roads. However, not all drivers can have the same level of confidence, so while it might fit, it might also not be the most suitable bus for any particular route. (I'm guessing the 63 and 110/111 are the main culprits)

Edit - I forgot, I believe it has been commented that the Evora doesn't actually fit on one variant of the 173. I can't recall which but I suspect it will be via Litton.

 

[Djb1]

Too long surely? I rode her on the Sunday 257 on the final day over Snake and the young driver didn't have any real problems navigating some pretty narrow roads. However, not all drivers can have the same level of confidence, so while it might fit, it might also not be the most suitable bus for any particular route. (I'm guessing the 63 and 110/111 are the main culprits)

Edit - I forgot, I believe it has been commented that the Evora doesn't actually fit on one variant of the 173. I can't recall which but I suspect it will be via Litton.

It’s the via cressbrook variant that is usually the issue on the 173

 

[SLC001]

My information came first hand. The Solos were preferred in this instance and although my knowledge of Hulleys routes away from Bakewell is limited, these vehicles are a challenge width wise in the Chesterfield area.
Mind you looking at Hulleys Facebook page recently, only a bike was going to get past one car. It was parked in the depot entrance road - a picture was posted on their page!

 

[Teapot42]

My information came first hand. The Solos were preferred in this instance and although my knowledge of Hulleys routes away from Bakewell is limited, these vehicles are a challenge width wise in the Chesterfield area.
Mind you looking at Hulleys Facebook page recently, only a bike was going to get past one car. It was parked in the depot entrance road - a picture was posted on their page!

Other than the Slimline Solo, most buses are pretty much the same width. Length tends to be the issue with the front and back swinging out when turning. As the Solos are shorter, and have wheels near the corners, there is less overhang to swing out.

 

[TheManOnThe172]

Companies House have a new set of accounts for Hulleys (to 31/12/2023). If I have calculated correctly, it looks like a £108k net loss, largely funded from increased borrowing secured on the assets.

Hulleys certainly seem inventive and ambitious, but sadly this doesn't yet look like a corner having been turned financially.

 

[Killingworth]

Companies House have a new set of accounts for Hulleys (to 31/12/2023). If I have calculated correctly, it looks like a £108k net loss, largely funded from increased borrowing secured on the assets.

Hulleys certainly seem inventive and ambitious, but sadly this doesn't yet look like a corner having been turned financially.

It's not really possible to judge a great deal from these abbreviated accounts without others and fuller explanations. Operationally 2023 wasn't a good year for Hulley's as previous posts testify. That must have had bad financial effects rolling over into 2024..

Since the last accounts at 31.12.2022 there was the Go-CoachHire takeover in December 2023 and there's another holding company Modeldart Ltd involved. Modeldart accounts to 31st December 2024 are filed. Go-CoachHire has changed its year end from 31st March to 31st December and 2023 accounts aren't currently online. Most of the money seems to be tied up there.

2024 is a transitional year all round so accounts for all companies to 31.12.2024 will show how well it's doing. By 31.12.2025 the benefits of the merger should be clear - or not.

 

[m79900]

Companies House have a new set of accounts for Hulleys (to 31/12/2023). If I have calculated correctly, it looks like a £108k net loss, largely funded from increased borrowing secured on the assets.

Hulleys certainly seem inventive and ambitious, but sadly this doesn't yet look like a corner having been turned financially.

I don't know a lot about business, but presumably had they not splashed out on brand new ADLs they'd be £300-400k in the up?

Speaking of which, I thought there were meant to be 4, but only 3 are in service. Why?

 

[Goldfish62]

Companies House have a new set of accounts for Hulleys (to 31/12/2023). If I have calculated correctly, it looks like a £108k net loss, largely funded from increased borrowing secured on the assets.

Hulleys certainly seem inventive and ambitious, but sadly this doesn't yet look like a corner having been turned financially.

How did you calculate that without sight of the P&L account? Not querying it - it's just for my own interest.

 

[Trainman40083]

I don't know a lot about business, but presumably had they not splashed out on brand new ADLs they'd be £300-400k in the up?

Speaking of which, I thought there were meant to be 4, but only 3 are in service. Why?

Are the ADLs bought or leased?

 

[TheManOnThe172]

How did you calculate that without sight of the P&L account? Not querying it - it's just for my own interest.

I am not an accountant, but here goes:

The abbreviated accounts show two balance sheets.

In the absence of any dividends, the increase in "Profit and Loss Reserves" between the two balance sheets dates will be the net profit achieved over that period.

For Henry Hulley & Sons Limited (Company number 02280297), the "Profit and Loss Reserves" figure was smaller (Minus £416,642) at the end of 2023 than it was at the start of 2023 (Minus £308,171). The reduction of £108,471 will be the net loss for the year 2023, which is not required to be made explicit in the public copy of the accounts.

For (partial) insight into sources of funds, you need to dig around in the Notes.

Note 6, on "Creditors: amounts falling due within one year" says "Included in other creditors is an amount of £167,987 that has been secured on the assets of the company (2022 - £148,887)"

Note 7, on "Creditors: amounts falling due after one year", says "Included in other creditors is an amount of £219,938 that has been secured on the assets of the company (2022 - £148,887)"

It seems quite a coincidence that at the end of 2022, there should have been be exactly equal amounts of £148,887 secured with a within-one-year due date, and £148,887 with a beyond-one-year due date. The previous accounts seem to give no figures for these, so I can't see how to check this. If the identical figures are indeed just a coincidence (rather than a transcription error), then the two increases in secured creditors adds to £90,151. The extent of personal guarantees is shown as reducing over the year by £25,590.