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Icy weather incoming: Possible heavy snow Monday 26th onwards

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gavin

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The best from the east is coming and with it will be some potentially signifcant snow more so down the eastern side of England and Scotland early warnings are out for potential disruption on the railways

Between 16:00 Mon 26th and 23:55 Tue 27th
Snow showers may become persistent from late Monday afternoon, continuing overnight and throughout Tuesday. There is the potential for travel delays on roads, stranding some vehicles and passengers, as well as delays or cancellations to rail and air travel. Some rural communities could become cut off. Power cuts may also occur and other services, such as mobile phones, may be affected.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings#?date=2018-02-26

Between 03:00 Tue 27th and 23:55 Tue 27th
Showers or longer periods of snow will affect eastern parts of the UK during Tuesday. There is the potential for travel delays on roads, with some stranded vehicles and passengers, as well as delays or cancellations to rail and air travel. Some rural communities could become cut off. Power cuts may also occur and other services, such as mobile phones, may be affected.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings#?date=2018-02-26

If you are travelling by rail next week in the east please plan ahead and be prepared for possible disruption this is likely to be the UK's most severe spell of wintry weather in at least 5 years
 
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Isn't there already a thread on this somewhere?

There is. Why we need any thread, let alone multiple threads, to tell us that the weather is likely to be what you would expect it be at this time of year I do not know.
 

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Panic mode initiating now that people are realising there's some wintry weather coming during...winter. Bound to be cancellations, esp in SE 3rd rail land due to ice/snow.
 

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Could this possible heavy snow from Monday, be due to it still being WINTER, perchance here in the UK?o_O:rolleyes::)

The forecast is for conditions more severe than typically experienced in a UK winter. It is unusual in the south of England to have days where the temperature stays below freezing all day, and this is what is forecast on Wednesday and Thursday, with days either side forecast to be 1C max. Any precipitation will fall as snow down to sea level, with the precipitation initially in the form of showers as the cold easterly wind passing over the warmer North sea destabilises, leading to lake-effect snow showers. Any disruption will depend on how much snow falls, but with the showery nature of the snow some areas could get a lot whilst other areas see none, and it is impossible to predict where every single snow shower will dump snow. Hence the more widespread advisory to expect disruption due to snow and ice next week. In addition, there is the possibility later in the week of low pressure systems moving up against the very cold air over the UK. These are the setups which historically have given some of the biggest snowfalls across the southern counties. The nature of the south east, being of high population, and the busiest and most congested commuter routes in the UK, will likely suffer disruption even with a modest amount of snow, because the transport networks are near saturation, there is no slack in the system, so any deviation from normal conditions results in transport disruption.

It is not about what season it is, it is about how severe the conditions are relative to normal. A large enough deviation from normal conditions will cause problems, in winter, spring, summer or autumn. That is why in autumn 2000, there was major disruption due to flooding. It is irrelevant that we should expect it to rain in the autumn, it was the quantity of rain well above normal falling over the season which overwhelmed the catchment areas and resulted the flooding.
 

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Panic mode initiating now that people are realising there's some wintry weather coming during...winter. Bound to be cancellations, esp in SE 3rd rail land due to ice/snow.

And again :rolleyes:. There is no panic, people will just deal with it as best they can, like people did in March 2013, January and December 2010. It is a tedious repetitive cliche that the SE grinds to a halt with an inch of snow, it doesn't, for most people the worst that happens is some journeys take longer and some people's social events get cancelled for safety reasons.

Having sub-zero temperatures all day is not winter weather for the SE. A SE winter is typically mild and damp, interspersed with the odd short lived colder spell. What is predicted next week is far more than just a normal few days when it is a bit chilly.
 

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Going by Made in Birmingham TV weather its going to be -6 in on Saturday but -2 on Tuesday and Wednesday. Yet in Bristol and Leeds its going to be 2'C on the Monday with no sign of any snow. Durham appears to be getting hit with the white stuff come Tuesday though.

So if its going to snow, I would have imagined that Yorkshire would get it worse than Birmingham and the West Midlands.
 

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It is not about what season it is, it is about how severe the conditions are relative to normal. A large enough deviation from normal conditions will cause problems, in winter, spring, summer or autumn. That is why in autumn 2000, there was major disruption due to flooding. It is irrelevant that we should expect it to rain in the autumn, it was the quantity of rain well above normal falling over the season which overwhelmed the catchment areas and resulted the flooding.

Sensible comment. I was among those who were a bit scathing in the original thread - at around 7 days before the event, it was far too early to have any sensible discussion on what is a rail and not a weather forum. I still think it's a bit early now really, but at least the forecast is starting to become more certain and we can now say with some confidence that some disruption is likely.
 

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Durham appears to be getting hit with the white stuff come Tuesday though.

While I don't quite believe it'll actually happen, at the moment the Met Office forecast has snow for Durham City in every timeslot from 03:00 on Tuesday until 21:00 on Thursday (!)
 

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Once they started giving these weather systems stupid names common sense seems to have been replaced by panic.
 

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Once they started giving these weather systems stupid names common sense seems to have been replaced by panic.

Name? What name? Nobody has mentioned any name. There is no "name".
 

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The term "beast from the east" has been used on weather forums since the early 2000s .... It refers to a run of very cold air coming in from Siberia. Which is what we're about to get.

Meanwhile, one issue of concern with snow over the next few days is that due to the cold air (and it's dewpoints more than actual air temperature that makes the difference) it could be very powdery - and subject to drifting. More so than we've seen in England for a long time.

Showers on Monday through to Wednesday with a spell of heavier snow possible on Tuesday, especially through the Midlands. Then a bit of a reprieve before a potentially very serious snowstorm on Friday - with added risk of freezing rain in some parts of the south (and that really will have an impact on transport). Nothing set in stone though (it never is when it comes to weather!)

Just a case of don't be surprised if there's serious travel disruption over the next week.
 

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Once they started giving these weather systems stupid names common sense seems to have been replaced by panic.

That was actually done quite deliberately. It seems that large swathes of the UK population are now too stupid to take storms seriously unless they're named.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_storm_naming_in_the_United_Kingdom_and_Ireland

The United Kingdom's Met Office, in collaboration with its Irish counterpart Met Éireann, decided to introduce a storm naming system following the St Jude’s day storm on 27–28 October 2013 which caused 17 deaths in Europe[1][2] and the 2013–14 Atlantic winter storms in Europe to give a single, authoritative naming system to prevent confusion with the media and public using different names for the same storms.[3]
 

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Yes i understand the theory, and it is a good idea, but the media keep screaming on about impending doom. I wonder how many people turn off because of this.
 

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Yes i understand the theory, and it is a good idea, but the media keep screaming on about impending doom. I wonder how many people turn off because of this.

This is a problem - the media has cried wolf so often (often with no validity whatsoever - all those annual stories of "coldest winter for 50 years/100 days of snow" etc in the Express, for example, are entirely made up rubbish) that the public may now dismiss all reports of impending bad (especially cold/snowy) weather.

Unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do about it ....

Anyway, this week it looks like there really is going to be a wolf.
 

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This is a problem - the media has cried wolf so often (often with no validity whatsoever - all those annual stories of "coldest winter for 50 years/100 days of snow" etc in the Express, for example, are entirely made up rubbish) that the public may now dismiss all reports of impending bad (especially cold/snowy) weather.

Unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do about it ....

Anyway, this week it looks like there really is going to be a wolf.

The real problem is the unwillingness of (especially) the tabloids to highlight the often significant regional differences in the impact such weather events have. Here in the north west it's quite possible we will be saying "looks like just a little bit of wintry weather, what's the panic?" whereas as in the south east it could easily be more like "help!".
 
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