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So I have finally decided to take the plunge into this Interrail thing, starting off with a basic 4-day pass to test the waters. I reserved a cheapo hotel in Dusseldorf near the Hauptbahnhof for 3 nights in mid-June (not too early not too late) this year as after some research, I found this was the best place (in terms of both price and location) to use as a base for the places I want to visit. First travel day will be much lighter than I initially planned, as I've decided to fly Ryanair to Cologne/Bonn from Manchester instead of going down to London to get Eurostar (which would've arguably been more fun) due to my desired departures being fully booked. Thus, it'll just involve two Northern trains from my local station to Manchester Airport, followed by a short hop from Cologne/Bonn Airport (flight scheduled to arrive 1720) to either Cologne Hbf or Messe-Deutz to spend an hour or two taking in the city centre, before hopping on an ICE (or just whatever train comes first) to Dusseldorf to check into my hotel before 9pm. I was thinking of not using a travel day for these short train journeys and thus, saving a travel day to use more extensively later in the month, but that would only mean added costs for extra flights, reservations and accommodations so probably not the best idea budget-wise. The following days are where the real fun begins, on the other hand.

I have a rough itinerary sorted for Switzerland as follows:
  • 0627 Dusseldorf HBF to Basel SBB 1047 [DB ICE] Consider alternatives in case this train is cancelled
  • 1206 Basel SBB to Zurich HBF 1300 [SBB IC] Alternatively take a different train to Bern and then go to Zurich afterwards
  • Explore Zurich, Bern and/or Lucerne but return to Basel by 6pm. Alternatively, consider returning by a more scenic route from Zurich via Stuttgart
  • 1913 Basel SBB to Dusseldorf BF 2335 [DB ICE] Consider the 1713 and 1813 ICE departures northwards in case the 1913 is cancelled
However, the next two days I have many possibilities and keep in mind, the latter of the two days (where I check out of my hotel) I need to be back at Cologne/Bonn Airport for my 1740 flight back to Manchester. I have come up two possible itineraries for days 3 and 4 (see below) and thus would like some tips on which one I may have a more fun experience, whether it be the scenery en-route or the cities I pass through. Feel free to suggest any other possible itineraries I could do instead.

Option A: Covers two major cities on my bucket list (Berlin and Amsterdam).
  • 0611 Dusseldorf HBF to Frankfurt HBF 0748 [DB ICE] Maybe consider a later train if more rest required
  • 0902 Frankfurt HBF to Berlin HBF 1254 [DB ICE] Alternatively, consider Stuttgart and Ulm, Nuremburg or Heidelberg
  • Explore Berlin and Brandenburg Region [DB S RB RE] or wherever I decide to go instead
  • 1545 Berlin HBF to Dusseldorf HBF 2015 [DB ICE] Consider returning a more interesting way depending on which services are less delayed
Last Day if this Itinerary is Chosen:
  • 0626 Dusseldorf HBF to Arnhem Centraal 0813 [DB RE]
  • 0832 Arnhem Centraal to Amsterdam Centraal 0907 [NS IC]
  • Explore Amsterdam and maybe Rotterdam if there is time
  • 1208 Amsterdam Centraal to Cologne HBF 1521 [NS ICE]*
  • 1124 Amsterdam Centraal to Arnhem Centraal 1228 [NS IC]
  • Use Regional Express trains to get to Cologne via Duisburg if it's more reliable than ICE
  • 1538 Cologne HBF to Cologne/Bonn Airport 1550 [DB RB] latest train to the airport before things get too tight
NB: I am aware that ICE International to the Benelux is reservation-compulsory for the summer, but they have good availability at the moment (I checked the reservation system with my pass) and are far cheaper than Eurostar.

Option B: Takes some potentially more interesting routes between Rhine-Ruhr and the Benelux.
  • 0626 Dusseldorf HBF to Arnhem Centraal 0813 [DB RE]
  • 0832 Arnhem Centraal to Utrecht Centraal 0907 [NS IC]
  • 0918 Utrecht Centraal to Rotterdam Centraal 0955 [NS IC]
  • 1111 Rotterdam Centraal to Brussels Midi/Zuid 1305 [IC Direct]
  • 1322 Brussels Midi/Zuid to Luxembourg 1615 [NMBS IC]
  • 1733 Luxembourg to Koblenz HBF 1956 [CFL RE]
  • 2016 Koblenz HBF to Dusseldorf HBF 2158 [NX RRX]
Last Day if this Itinerary is Chosen:
  • 0513 Dusseldorf HBF to Berlin HBF 1016 [DB ICE]
  • 1141 Berlin HBF to Cologne HBF 1540 [DB ICE]
  • 1552 Cologne HBF to Cologne/Bonn Airport 1605 [NX RRX]
  • 0611 (or 0709) Dusseldorf HBF to Frankfurt HBF 0748 (or 0848)
  • Explore Frankfurt and surrounding areas like Mainz and Heidelberg [DB S RB RE]
  • 1209 (or 1226) Frankfurt HBF to Cologne MDtz 1315 (or HBF 1333) [DB ICE]
  • Start leaving Cologne city centre for Cologne/Bonn Airport around 3pm [DB S]
UPDATE: I have revised some of the possible itineraries and added extra notes factoring the unreliability of ICE, as some of you have pointed out. Delays of up to half an hour I can manage (I've checked today's DB departures for reference and found that usually the average delay is 10-20 minutes), but it's the cancellations that can screw things up, as I have found that the specific ICE service I plan to use was cancelled today (based on DB real-time info) so there's nothing stopping it from being cancelled on the 11th June when I intend to use it.
 
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We are all different, but this itinerary doesn't seem to include much in the way of interesting trains, landscape, or destinations. It also seems odd to return to the same city for gour overnights.If you want to go to Switzerland then don't stop at Basel or Zurich but go through the alps, preferably over the Bernina Pass, and spend the night in Northern Italy, then I'd head North through Austria to Salzburg or Vienna or Berlin.
 

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I would also warn against doing an out-and-back day trip to Switzerland like that on ICEs. You can almost guarantee a delay on both. I'd recommend staying overnight somewhere in Switzerland and making the most of it there.

Similarly with the plan to go out and back to Berlin. It's highly likely that the 12-minute connection on the way back won't be made. ICE services just aren't reliable.
 

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I would also warn against doing an out-and-back day trip to Switzerland like that on ICEs. You can almost guarantee a delay on both. I'd recommend staying overnight somewhere in Switzerland and making the most of it there.

Similarly with the plan to go out and back to Berlin. It's highly likely that the 12-minute connection on the way back won't be made. ICE services just aren't reliable.
Olten is a good place to stay in Switzerland and is allows you to easily cover much of the country in a day trip. Olten itself is a fascinating railway location in itself - even if only for the sheer volume and variety of trains running through.

That said, if I was doing a first trip to Switzerland, then the Rhatische Bahn from Chur/Landquart is simply an unbeatable experience.
 

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We are all different, but this itinerary doesn't seem to include much in the way of interesting trains, landscape, or destinations. It also seems odd to return to the same city for gour overnights.If you want to go to Switzerland then don't stop at Basel or Zurich but go through the alps, preferably over the Bernina Pass, and spend the night in Northern Italy, then I'd head North through Austria to Salzburg or Vienna or Berlin.
It's because I booked a hotel for 3 nights in Dusseldorf (was a pretty good price for the location), as it seemed easier than checking into a different hotel each time. I would've gone for a night train to Switzerland, but I wasn't sure how much sleep I'd actually be able to get compared to a hotel. As it'll be my first time travelling on long-distance trains in Continental Europe, I wanted to get a taste of some of the cities on my bucket list beforehand (namely Amsterdam, Berlin and Zurich) before getting deeper into the more interesting stuff. Perhaps in future Interrail journeys, I may give myself time for something much more scenic like what you've mentioned. However, I do plan to go to one or two more scenic cities nearby in Switzerland like Bern or Luzern, as I like hopping on long distance trains to see new cities the way I did the All Line Rover in Britain last year. How scenic are the routes to Luzern and Bern from Basel and/or Zurich? I've heard Koblenz to Luxembourg is fairly scenic too. If I had more time, I'd have definitely gone for Innsbruck for more spectacular Alpine scenery.
I would also warn against doing an out-and-back day trip to Switzerland like that on ICEs. You can almost guarantee a delay on both. I'd recommend staying overnight somewhere in Switzerland and making the most of it there.
How big of a delay are we talking? Perhaps I can alter my hotel reservation at Dusseldorf down to 2 nights so I can stay one night closer to Switzerland instead, as I also looked at accommodation in Weil-am-Rhein just across the border from Basel, but maybe I'll save that for another Interrail adventure next year with my wife. Also, I'm quite happy with the location of the hotel I've already booked so far.
Similarly with the plan to go out and back to Berlin. It's highly likely that the 12-minute connection on the way back won't be made. ICE services just aren't reliable.
That rules out Option B then, unless I swap out Berlin for a closer city like Frankfurt.
Olten is a good place to stay in Switzerland and is allows you to easily cover much of the country in a day trip. Olten itself is a fascinating railway location in itself - even if only for the sheer volume and variety of trains running through.

That said, if I was doing a first trip to Switzerland, then the Rhatische Bahn from Chur/Landquart is simply an unbeatable experience.
Thank you for your suggestions. I may consider Olten for a future trip, perhaps with EasyJet flights to Geneva (best timings from Manchester) and using a Switzerland pass to really focus on the country. For now, I want to check out the main cities, of which I have chosen the easiest to reach from where I'm staying in Germany. Speaking of Chur, I did consider heading towards that direction, but to get off at Sargans so I can get a bus to Liechtenstein. Perhaps I can skip Bern/Luzern and go there instead? I still want to explore the centres of Basel and Zurich for at least an hour each, as they both look like amazing cities.
 

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How big of a delay are we talking? Perhaps I can alter my hotel reservation at Dusseldorf down to 2 nights so I can stay one night closer to Switzerland instead, as I also looked at accommodation in Weil-am-Rhein just across the border from Basel, but maybe I'll save that for another Interrail adventure next year with my wife. Also, I'm quite happy with the location of the hotel I've already booked so far.
Up to half an hour is quite common. I can see today one service was 45 minutes late and turned at Basel Bad Bhf (the Swiss don't look too kindly upon late-running trains from abroad and will terminate them at the border if needs be).

However, it's a case of how long is a piece of string. DB reliability at the moment isn't great - so it's more of a general warning than a guarantee of disruption. In any case, staying closer to Switzerland is sensible.

On cities - I quite liked Bern. Basel is pleasant enough but I wasn't all that impressed by the centre of Zurich. The lake there however is stunning and you can easily hop on/off S-Bahn services along it.
 

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Up to half an hour is quite common. I can see today one service was 45 minutes late and turned at Basel Bad Bhf (the Swiss don't look too kindly upon late-running trains from abroad and will terminate them at the border if needs be).

However, it's a case of how long is a piece of string. DB reliability at the moment isn't great - so it's more of a general warning than a guarantee of disruption. In any case, staying closer to Switzerland is sensible.

On cities - I quite liked Bern. Basel is pleasant enough but I wasn't all that impressed by the centre of Zurich. The lake there however is stunning and you can easily hop on/off S-Bahn services along it.
Ouch, and I thought Britain had the short end of the stick (well, at least the ICE trains are probably far nicer than any British train will ever be)! I wouldn't mind getting off at Basel Bad to be fair, as it would mean I get to explore more of Basel as a bonus while walking to the SBB station. In any case, I have revised some of my itineraries (eliminating tight connections) to take this into account.
 

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Just in case you don't already know ...

15/06 Köln and Dortmund (and Berlin)
16/06 Gelsenkirchen (and Stuttgart)
17/06 Düsseldorf (and München, Frankfurt)
18/06 Dortmund (and Leipzig)
19/06 Köln (and Hamburg, Stuttgart)
and so on - a certain large football tournament where people may also be making long distance journeys between cities and generally causing congestion.

I would try to guess the major flows and plan not to be travelling in that direction on the day.

Before the flight I would plan to get back to Köln an hour or so earlier (more if using long distance IC/ICE) for safety. If the 1245 from Arnhem goes wrong unless ICE125 rescues you you're unlikely to reach CGN before 1635 which I'd find uncomfortably tight as your flight will start loading at 1715.

Otherwise, replan on the day as things degenerate and all will be fine.
 

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Just in case you don't already know ...

15/06 Köln and Dortmund (and Berlin)
16/06 Gelsenkirchen (and Stuttgart)
17/06 Düsseldorf (and München, Frankfurt)
18/06 Dortmund (and Leipzig)
19/06 Köln (and Hamburg, Stuttgart)
and so on - a certain large football tournament where people may also be making long distance journeys between cities and generally causing congestion.

I would try to guess the major flows and plan not to be travelling in that direction on the day.

Before the flight I would plan to get back to Köln an hour or so earlier (more if using long distance IC/ICE) for safety. If the 1245 from Arnhem goes wrong unless ICE125 rescues you you're unlikely to reach CGN before 1635 which I'd find uncomfortably tight as your flight will start loading at 1715.

Otherwise, replan on the day as things degenerate and all will be fine.
Luckily I'm flying back on the 13th before all this starts. And thanks for the tip, so general rule of thumb is nothing too ambitious on the last day.
 

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Couple of other ideas within long day reach from D:

Harzquerbahn (not on Interrail but fun) - out to Wernigerode back from Nordhausen or vv

Schwarzwaldbahn (Karlsruhe)-Offenbach-Villingen for Stuttgart, or Immendingen for Ulm then try the Ulm-Stuttgart Neubaustrecke.

With a bit of time to spare in Karlsruhe try an S-bahn service which is a tram (Rastatt, Heilbronn) but it's a train - IR is valid on AVG-operated services.

Ditto Luxembourg, get off at Pfaffenthal to see the amusing double parallel funicular up to the main road. They're rich.
 

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Couple of other ideas within long day reach from D:

Harzquerbahn (not on Interrail but fun) - out to Wernigerode back from Nordhausen or vv

Schwarzwaldbahn (Karlsruhe)-Offenbach-Villingen for Stuttgart, or Immendingen for Ulm then try the Ulm-Stuttgart Neubaustrecke.

With a bit of time to spare in Karlsruhe try an S-bahn service which is a tram (Rastatt, Heilbronn) but it's a train - IR is valid on AVG-operated services.

Ditto Luxembourg, get off at Pfaffenthal to see the amusing double parallel funicular up to the main road. They're rich.
I was thinking of possibly getting a TGV Duplex (no reservation required as long as I don't cross the border to France) to Karlsruhe from Frankfurt so that's a nice shout. Perhaps I could go there instead of Berlin (saving the latter for another time), what do you think?
 

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I was thinking of possibly getting a TGV Duplex (no reservation required as long as I don't cross the border to France) to Karlsruhe from Frankfurt so that's a nice shout. Perhaps I could go there instead of Berlin (saving the latter for another time), what do you think?
You've given yourself very little time for Berlin, and the journey back isn't exciting (at least you are going out via Fulda-Erfurt-Halle which is better).

TBH I don't think a single base for Amsterdam, Switzerland and Berlin makes much sense.

But enjoy the trip, whatever you decide!
 

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I realise you are being cautious on your first trip, but you are wasting opportunities by returning to Düsseldorf each evening. You could easily do a circular tour to take in all the cities on your bucket list if you stay somewhere different each night. The secret is to travel light and it is very easy to find and book cheap hotels in advance these days.

So something like:-

Day 1 Düsseldorf - Basel - Zürich.
Day 2 Zürich - München - Berlin.
Day 3 Berlin - Amsterdam.
Day 4 Amsterdam - Rotterdam - Venlo - Köln / Bonn Airport.

Düsseldorf is nothing to write home about although the river frontage is quite pleasant. Zürich is very rich and glitzy in the new town, but surprisingly perhaps, cheap hotels can be found in the (very pleasant) old town on the other side of the river. I wouldn't bother with Frankfurt - it is the dullest of the dull of German cities in my view.
 

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Good evening,

I would be very careful with longer distances in Germany.
Especially on the Rhine Valley Railway between Offenburg and Basel, there are disruptions almost daily.
I would plan with these delays. If possible, try to get away from Basel an or two hour earlier.
If you catch a train via Koblenz, it is recommended to get on and take a window seat.

The idea from @nwales58 with the Neubaustrecke Ulm-Wendlingen is very good.
From Ulm you can get to Munich, Lindau (beautiful port city with view to the Alps on the other side of the Bodensee), Nuremberg, Nördlingen via Donauwörth (very popular by tourists. Bavarian Railway Museum (BEM)).

If you still have a bit of time after your check-in in Düsseldorf, maybe a trip to Wuppertal would be something for you. I'm just saying the oldest suspension railway in the world. (20 minutes from Dusseldorf)

I wish you a nice trip with many new impressions. Greetings from Germany.
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You've given yourself very little time for Berlin, and the journey back isn't exciting (at least you are going out via Fulda-Erfurt-Halle which is better).

TBH I don't think a single base for Amsterdam, Switzerland and Berlin makes much sense.

But enjoy the trip, whatever you decide!
You'll be surprised how much of a city I can cover within a few hours, but then again I suppose Berlin has far more to explore than, say, Leeds or Newcastle. Either way, I'll probably revisit Berlin to explore it properly anyway, so I might as well check it out briefly beforehand. Could you suggest a more interesting way back to Rhine-Ruhr?

As for the single base issue for long journeys, this is similar to what I did with the All Line Rover domestically in Britain last year. Basically, I mostly used my home (20-minute train ride from Preston) in Lancashire as a base to visit Aberdeen (furthest I've successfully done an out-and-back journey to within a day), Portsmouth and Bath to name a few. I still managed to have a decent day out in each city. The only exception to this was a night in Travelodge Plymouth (a city which was a good 7 hours away from home) to allow me to visit Cornwall the following day. Thus, I was hoping to achieve something similar on the continent.
I realise you are being cautious on your first trip, but you are wasting opportunities by returning to Düsseldorf each evening. You could easily do a circular tour to take in all the cities on your bucket list if you stay somewhere different each night. The secret is to travel light and it is very easy to find and book cheap hotels in advance these days.

So something like:-

Day 1 Düsseldorf - Basel - Zürich.
Day 2 Zürich - München - Berlin.
Day 3 Berlin - Amsterdam.
Day 4 Amsterdam - Rotterdam - Venlo - Köln / Bonn Airport.

Düsseldorf is nothing to write home about although the river frontage is quite pleasant. Zürich is very rich and glitzy in the new town, but surprisingly perhaps, cheap hotels can be found in the (very pleasant) old town on the other side of the river. I wouldn't bother with Frankfurt - it is the dullest of the dull of German cities in my view.
Thank you very much for your insight. I was thinking of this, as I initially planned night trains to save having to book accommodation (of course a hotel and all the privacy it offers is far more worthwhile), plus I do travel light in any case. However, I chose Düsseldorf specifically because it had the cheapest hotels (managed to bag the one I reserved for £39 a night) next to a major train station in West Germany. Plus, it's easier for me to manage one booking like a "home away from home" than book different hotels every night and have to worry about different check in and check out times.

On the other hand, now you've mentioned it, it is a good job I chose to pay later for my hotel reservation and can cancel or modify my booking at no extra cost up until a few days before the check-in date. Thus, I've opened up the possibility of cutting my stay down to 2 nights and then the 3rd night could be Berlin to allow some more breathing room. That way, I can comfortably spend more time in Berlin (for example) upon arrival without having to worry about getting a train back the same day, and then have plenty of time the next morning to make it back to Köln (maybe via Hamburg to make it a bit more interesting) with plenty of time to spare before hopping to the airport to catch my flight. I have over a month to decide my plans at the moment so that's a possibility.

Since my Ryanair flight into Cologne arrives in the afternoon (1720), all I'd be able to fit in for Day 1 is the journey from my local station to the airport in the UK, followed by the short hop to Düsseldorf from Cologne (where I plan to spend an hour at Köln Triangle before travelling onwards) when I arrive. I could fit in another short journey or two after checking in to the hotel, but I'd probably rather chill in Düsseldorf for the evening, walking to Rhineturm promenade and back, plus buying a few things from the supermarkets along the way before going to bed. However, I know I can still make the value of the pass for the remaining 3 days, so it's not a major issue.

As for Frankfurt, I've been to the city centre briefly during a layover on Lufthansa flights to take pictures of the city and I actually loved it. The skyscrapers and modernity there actually appeal to me, especially when you find it in the midst of an otherwise historical European setting with transit-oriented infrastructure.
Good evening,

I would be very careful with longer distances in Germany.
Especially on the Rhine Valley Railway between Offenburg and Basel, there are disruptions almost daily.
I would plan with these delays. If possible, try to get away from Basel an or two hour earlier.
If you catch a train via Koblenz, it is recommended to get on and take a window seat.

The idea from @nwales58 with the Neubaustrecke Ulm-Wendlingen is very good.
From Ulm you can get to Munich, Lindau (beautiful port city with view to the Alps on the other side of the Bodensee), Nuremberg, Nördlingen via Donauwörth (very popular by tourists. Bavarian Railway Museum (BEM)).

If you still have a bit of time after your check-in in Düsseldorf, maybe a trip to Wuppertal would be something for you. I'm just saying the oldest suspension railway in the world. (20 minutes from Dusseldorf)

I wish you a nice trip with many new impressions. Greetings from Germany.
(Written with the support of Google Translate)
Good evening, thanks for the helpful suggestions. I was initially planning to head back up from Basel an hour earlier, but that involved very tight connections at Mannheim and Frankfurt Flughafen which I'd have been guaranteed to miss with said ICE punctuality. Perhaps two hours earlier may be more plausible instead. I was thinking of going straight to the top deck for the best window views whenever I get on a double decker train, which I hope to get via Koblenz.

Perhaps I could go towards the Munich and Bavaria side instead of Berlin for this trip now you've mentioned it. It definitely sounds like I'll get better scenery down there, especially with the Alps. Do you know which routes down that way I can get those double decker IC2 trains? Those are another type of train I've always wanted to ride along with the fancy ICE, despite the chronic delays they seem to be suffering these days.
 
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My advice would always be to plan to use the first train of the day, and never the last train back. This way, you have more backup options when the inevitable disruption occurs. Personally I wouldn't be too bothered by a change at Mannheim and Frankfurt Airport, chances are that the connecting train is also delayed!
The advantage of going for the earlier departure from Basel is that, if all else fails, you can simply wait for an hour in Mannheim to hop on the later train from Basel. There's plenty to see at the station, lots of food outlets etc as well. Or you could get a local train to Frankfurt, then catch the next ICE heading roughly towards Düsseldorf (just make sure to avoid one which takes the old route along the Rhine valley as it's much slower and you won't see anything in the dark!).
The other thing I would highly recommend is to plan backup options before you travel, so that you know roughly what to look out for when delays happen. See attached the last day of my Interrail trip later this month, and the backup options. (I will admit that the schedule is slightly tighter than I would like, but that's all part of the fun of Interrailing!) Obviously on the day, things might go absolutely fine. Or perhaps none of the backups will work. But in that case, I'll just see what happens, as I have an idea of what train services might come in handy. (I also have the expensive option of going via France instead as an absolute last resort.)

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If you would find it helpful to have a paper or PDF timetable to refer to - especially if you have to re-plan on the move, due to delays - I recommend the European Rail Timetable. It includes inter-city trains in all parts of Europe, plus most regional trains, and a selection of the most useful suburban routes around major cities.

 

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My advice would always be to plan to use the first train of the day, and never the last train back. This way, you have more backup options when the inevitable disruption occurs. Personally I wouldn't be too bothered by a change at Mannheim and Frankfurt Airport, chances are that the connecting train is also delayed!
The advantage of going for the earlier departure from Basel is that, if all else fails, you can simply wait for an hour in Mannheim to hop on the later train from Basel. There's plenty to see at the station, lots of food outlets etc as well. Or you could get a local train to Frankfurt, then catch the next ICE heading roughly towards Düsseldorf (just make sure to avoid one which takes the old route along the Rhine valley as it's much slower and you won't see anything in the dark!).
The other thing I would highly recommend is to plan backup options before you travel, so that you know roughly what to look out for when delays happen. See attached the last day of my Interrail trip later this month, and the backup options. (I will admit that the schedule is slightly tighter than I would like, but that's all part of the fun of Interrailing!) Obviously on the day, things might go absolutely fine. Or perhaps none of the backups will work. But in that case, I'll just see what happens, as I have an idea of what train services might come in handy. (I also have the expensive option of going via France instead as an absolute last resort.)

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Thanks for letting me know, in which case an hour in Mannheim would be excellent, as that'll give me an opportunity to see another city as a bonus. In any case, I'd probably plan for a 5pm departure from Basel beforehand before 6-7pm to increase this window.

The change in Frankfurt to access more frequent ICE services definitely sounds like the best option, however. That would allow me to see a bit of Frankfurt (I wanna check out MyZeil and Romerburg, and possibly go up Main Tower) on the way as another bonus.

It might be interesting to go back via France to get in some TGV action, but then the £55 splashed on reservations (TGV Lyria from Basel followed by Red Eurostar to Düsseldorf) might be better spent on swapping hotels for the 2nd or 3rd night instead. One trick I've learnt to cut down the reservation costs is to get a TER from Basel to Strasbourg and then get a domestic TGV from there and that's already €20 (£18ish) saved, plus I'd be much closer to Gare du Nord upon arrival to Paris. However, I'd need a fair amount of time to try this out.
If you would find it helpful to have a paper or PDF timetable to refer to - especially if you have to re-plan on the move, due to delays - I recommend the European Rail Timetable. It includes inter-city trains in all parts of Europe, plus most regional trains, and a selection of the most useful suburban routes around major cities.

Cheers, I might need this. One thing that it'll be handy for is to time which Paris to Frankfurt/Munich services are operated by the TGV, so I could sample one wholly within Germany (either Frankfurt to Karlsruhe or Stuttgart to Munich) without needing a reservation.
If you want to go to Switzerland then don't stop at Basel or Zurich but go through the alps, preferably over the Bernina Pass, and spend the night in Northern Italy, then I'd head North through Austria to Salzburg or Vienna or Berlin.
I just realised that I could take a more scenic route back from Zurich via Stuttgart on the IC2 double deckers.
 
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As far as I know, there are no continuous IC2 connections through the Middle Rhine Valley.
If I were you, I would try to catch an ICE T-Train (tilting technology) via Koblenz (relatively easy).
Above all, the inclination in the curves gives the whole thing a certain flair.
I mean, there are connections from Cologne to Vienna Hbf via Koblenz and Frankfurt. (takes much longer than the high-speed line)

On the subject of Berlin: Berlin is very big, but also very crowded (and dirty) (especially Brandenburg Gate and Bundestag) Small tip. You can visit the dome of the Bundestag. To do this, however, you have to register well in advance via the website of the German Bundestag. Click here

Regarding your Basel excursion: From Basel you can get to Schaffhausen very easily. There is the largest waterfall in Europe. Basel is also supposed to be beautiful.
 

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Currently in day 28 of a 2-MO IRail (My 20th or so) and having passed+changed Dus yesterday-and stayed in HTLs there at least a dozen times the last 3-4 yrs: On Sat I passed/changed in Basel, as making a tour via Swiss always gives the idea that then one gets real value for money for that pass-looking at normal fares.
Can only confirm/repeat what has been said so often: DB is NOTOrious for late running or cancelling. Though my trip yesterday was within even the 5-min margin. You had better look at how often trains run on a certain sector and just take whatever comes along.
DUS-and about any German city-has dozens+more HTLs near/around the station (in fact the former offices of the main stat. are now an Ibis-Styles) and when there is not a Messe going on (trade fair/show) its daft easy to find rooms (BF will cost extra) for around 50€-if even much cheaper its likely bad quality in a big city (you can still find these in minor villages though). The BAHN hotel is also close by, but not that fance (anymore).
Oh-if never been there-most (and DUS is even by far not the worst) german main stations=HauptBahnHof may need getting used to-all these people milling around (looking for left bottles for the 25 ct. deposits) are not that criminal
On your day 1: note that the cheaper tix for that ride are NOT valid in IC/ICE!! ONly the locals. They are Verbund-style and thus also have a limited time to use them (is not printed on them).
If you fancy and maybe have some days in between: the 49€ Deutschland ticket=a monthly (calender month only and MUST be cancelled day 10 the latest to end subscription)-NOT valid in IC/ICE, but on ALL local transit, also the varous tramways, buses, metro etc. is well worth its price even if one uses it only for 5-6 days. That would also cover the ride airport-Dus. Unless you have managed to have the end of month in the stay.
 

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As far as I know, there are no continuous IC2 connections through the Middle Rhine Valley.
If I were you, I would try to catch an ICE T-Train (tilting technology) via Koblenz (relatively easy).
Above all, the inclination in the curves gives the whole thing a certain flair.
I mean, there are connections from Cologne to Vienna Hbf via Koblenz and Frankfurt. (takes much longer than the high-speed line)

On the subject of Berlin: Berlin is very big, but also very crowded (and dirty) (especially Brandenburg Gate and Bundestag) Small tip. You can visit the dome of the Bundestag. To do this, however, you have to register well in advance via the website of the German Bundestag. Click here

Regarding your Basel excursion: From Basel you can get to Schaffhausen very easily. There is the largest waterfall in Europe. Basel is also supposed to be beautiful.
After doing some researching, I found that there is a Zurich to Stuttgart service which uses those IC2 double-deckers (and incidentally goes via Schaffhausen), so that's definitely an option on the way back from Switzerland. The route appears to be very scenic too, probably more so than the Rhine Valley corridor to Basel. I could probably look for one of those ICE-T services to Koblenz from Cologne if I feel in the mood for going to Luxembourg. For Berlin, what I was planning is to get an S-Bahn from the Hbf to Alexanderplatz, then walk to Brandenburg Gate taking in all the sights on the way, then walk down to Potsdamerplatz and browse the Mall of Berlin. Afterwards, another short hop on the S-Bahn back to Hbf to get whatever ICE will take me back to Rhine-Ruhr, or at least closer to it.
Currently in day 28 of a 2-MO IRail (My 20th or so) and having passed+changed Dus yesterday-and stayed in HTLs there at least a dozen times the last 3-4 yrs: On Sat I passed/changed in Basel, as making a tour via Swiss always gives the idea that then one gets real value for money for that pass-looking at normal fares.
Can only confirm/repeat what has been said so often: DB is NOTOrious for late running or cancelling. Though my trip yesterday was within even the 5-min margin. You had better look at how often trains run on a certain sector and just take whatever comes along.
DUS-and about any German city-has dozens+more HTLs near/around the station (in fact the former offices of the main stat. are now an Ibis-Styles) and when there is not a Messe going on (trade fair/show) its daft easy to find rooms (BF will cost extra) for around 50€-if even much cheaper its likely bad quality in a big city (you can still find these in minor villages though). The BAHN hotel is also close by, but not that fance (anymore).
Oh-if never been there-most (and DUS is even by far not the worst) german main stations=HauptBahnHof may need getting used to-all these people milling around (looking for left bottles for the 25 ct. deposits) are not that criminal
On your day 1: note that the cheaper tix for that ride are NOT valid in IC/ICE!! ONly the locals. They are Verbund-style and thus also have a limited time to use them (is not printed on them).
If you fancy and maybe have some days in between: the 49€ Deutschland ticket=a monthly (calender month only and MUST be cancelled day 10 the latest to end subscription)-NOT valid in IC/ICE, but on ALL local transit, also the varous tramways, buses, metro etc. is well worth its price even if one uses it only for 5-6 days. That would also cover the ride airport-Dus. Unless you have managed to have the end of month in the stay.
I was considering BAHN Hotel, until I found that the (usually) cheaper Domo Mondial happened to have some rooms with private bathrooms. The latter, which I have currently reserved for £39 (€45) a night, I have noticed looks very basic and dated but for my needs (just a safe private space to stay overnight a stone's throw away from a Hbf), it'll do the job according to the reviews I have read. As for day 1, that's exactly why I'm aiming to get an ICE (just whatever comes first as they'll be frequent on that corridor) from Cologne to Dusseldorf (after I've enjoyed some views of the city from Koln Triangle) to make sure I at least get some value out of that travel day.
The idea from @nwales58 with the Neubaustrecke Ulm-Wendlingen is very good.
From Ulm you can get to Munich, Lindau (beautiful port city with view to the Alps on the other side of the Bodensee), Nuremberg, Nördlingen via Donauwörth (very popular by tourists. Bavarian Railway Museum (BEM)).

If you still have a bit of time after your check-in in Düsseldorf, maybe a trip to Wuppertal would be something for you. I'm just saying the oldest suspension railway in the world. (20 minutes from Dusseldorf)
I've just had another great idea; instead of going to Berlin after Frankfurt, I stay on that Munich-bound train as far as Wurzburg, which I've found has a really nice castle. Thereafter, I back-track to Frankfurt hopefully in time to catch the daily TGV Duplex (another train on my bucket list) as far as Saarbrucken, which has a direct bus service to Luxembourg. Thereafter, it's back to Dusseldorf via Koblenz. Final day, I decided a different itinerary to allow me to see a bit of Rotterdam, as I really love the modern architecture over there and it's less complicated for me than Amsterdam as I'd be happy just chilling outside Centraal station and taking in the surroundings. I allowed enough breathing room on my return to Cologne this time, so I can make it to the airport in good time. What do you think of this?

DAY 3:
0611 Dusseldorf Hbf to Wurzburg Hbf 0900 [DB ICE]
1024 Wurzburg Hbf to Frankfurt Hbf 1136 [DB ICE]
1256 Frankfurt Hbf to Saarbrucken Hbf 1459 [SNCF TGV]
1515 Saarbrucken Hbf to Luxembourg 1630 [CFL Bus]**
** Does anyone know how I would reserve this?
Otherwise it'll be regional trains the long way round via Metz, which actually appears to be a rather picturesque city.

1733 Luxembourg to Koblenz Hbf 1956 [CFL RE] or an hour later if previous leg done via Metz.
2016 Koblenz Hbf to Dusseldorf Hbf 2158 [NX RRX]

DAY 4:
0626 Dusseldorf Hbf to Arnhem Centraal 0813 [DB RE]
0832 Arnhem Centraal to Utrecht Centraal 0907 [NS IC]
0918 Utrecht Centraal to Rotterdam Centraal 0955 [NS IC]
1058 Rotterdam Centraal to Brussels Midi/Zuid 1208 [Eurostar]*
1225 Brussels Midi/Zuid to Cologne Hbf 1415 [NMBS ICE]*
* Yes, I am aware reservations are compulsory for these two trains, but the total fee comes to £27.50 on the Interrail website, which is fine for me.
1538 Cologne Hbf to Cologne/Bonn Airport 1550 [DB RB] latest train to the airport before things get too tight.
 
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UPDATE:
I have just used the first two travel days the week before the initial plan, as I managed to add some extra things (Eurostar reservation one way with Ryanair flight back from a totally different location with an overnight stay in the middle) to make a much more interesting use of the pass after realising that the two days I'm flying to/from CGN would not give me enough time to use the pass properly.

Basically, I managed to get a reservation on the 1104 (most desirable timing for starting up north) Eurostar to Brussels on Thursday, which allowed me to travel onwards to Luxembourg (was lucky to have a double-deck set on the Belgian IC service down that route) and enjoy a bit of their free public transport. Half hour connection at Brussels Midi gave me just about enough time to grab a fresh Belgian Waffle (which was far better than I expected) and a few other supplies, although lack of free toilets at the stations meant having to use it on the trains most of the time. Rode a few trams to explore bits of the city, as well as the funicular at Pffaffenthal-Kirchberg before a short hop on an old CFL 2000 back to the main station. Thereafter, it was an SNCF TER double-deck Coradia onwards to Metz, where I stayed overnight in a hotel just outside the station (very convenient). Overall, it was a very interesting journey, and the spaciousness of the Eurostar e320 compared to British loading gauge trains was strikingly noticeable. Metz especially impressed me with how walkable and picturesque the city centre was; definitely a far cry from the hustle and bustle of Paris.

The following day, I hopped on the 0642 TER to Strasbourg, which used the classic Corail coaches and let me tell you, the seats were INSANELY comfortable (headrests that I can actually sink into for once and excellent plushness all round) and the ride quality was impressive given their age. After a brief hour stopover at Strasbourg (another picturesque city, albeit busier than Metz) to stock up on food (Carrefour City across from the station had some decent options) and coffee (got some nice cafes around the place) as well as take in a bit of the city's architecture, I sunk into another TER Corail (which was effectively a de-facto Intercity service despite technically being a regional express) onwards to Basel. My main aim that day was to visit and cross Switzerland, finishing off across the border in Milan, where I booked a Ryanair flight back to Manchester that night.

While I've really wanted to visit Zurich, I ended up spending more time in Basel as there was a far more interesting variation in architecture and things to see around the city. Firstly, as it was my first time in Switzerland, I was unsurprisingly impressed by how clean everything was (huge step up from France in the same way Luxembourg was a huge step up from Belgium), especially the building of the SBB station. Had a nice walk to the Wettsteinbruecke, watching the trams go by and enjoying the view of the Roche towers in the distance. Thereafter, I enjoyed breathtaking views of the city from the bridge as I crossed the Rhein, before having a sit down on the other side of the river along the pathway leading to Mittlerebrucke to relax and take in the city views. I then walked across the latter bridge and had a nice time exploring the historic centre (even buying a few treats from a Migros) and marketplace on my way back to the station. Then, it was a quick ride on a nonstop IC service to Zurich (classic E'wgn IV loco-hauled coaches) while I tucked into some Swiss cheese to go with my crackers and an iced coffee. The ride quality on the was extremely smooth (Swiss got some epic trackwork) and I even had reception within the tunnels, although I realised I might have preferred the slow train which was double-decker. At Zurich, I was surprised with how open the Hauptbahnhof was, especially the seamless transition between the platforms and the street. City centre was pleasant as expected and I mainly had a walk around the Limmat, sitting on a bench at Bahnhofbrucke to relax, since I had excellent views of the old city from there. What I liked best was the big Coop just outside the station, as it had an insanely good selection of foodstuffs: all the Swiss chocolate I could ever want (Lindt pistachio bars were my favourite), fresh bakery items served very hot (loved the spinach pastry) plus interesting twists of sushi probably unique to Switzerland. However, the real highlight was the express train down to Lugano, where the scenery just didn't want to give me a break from my camera (guy sitting opposite me was a lifesaver for letting me use his charger for the first hour of the journey until he got off at Arth-Goldau, as I made the mistake of skipping out on getting myself a European plug charger assuming there would be trains with USB). Somehow, even though the few places the train stopped at were not very populated, SBB decided to whack on 20 carriages (as if a single 10-car unit was not enough already) and it was still busy up to Arth-Goldau. Meanwhile in the UK, our DfT are too stingy to give XC enough carriages to regularly couple together two 4-car Voyagers on routes linker a much longer chain of far bigger cities. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE! After the surreal ride across the Alps, I had a few moments to take in the view of Lugano before hopping onto the TILO train onwards to Milan, which was packed with all seats taken despite being 12 carriages. I stood for half the journey, but I had plenty of space to enjoy the views from both sides.

Arrival into Milan felt like a completely different world compared to the previous places I been to, which really gave me a sense of just how far I travelled. Milano Centrale was gargantuan in scale compared to all the other stations I went through in the five countries I have crossed and the square outside was a nice place to chill out and have a coffee before I had to go to the airport for my flight back. Overall, this was a very fun journey, allowing me to see a variety of cities and scenery along the way. It genuinely felt amazing being able to effortlessly cross five countries without setting foot on a plane (until I got to Malpensa Airport that is). 1125 Ryanair flight was delayed an hour, but I managed to sleep for virtually the whole flight (nodded off after takeoff and woke up just as we were landing at Manchester) so that was a plus.

Now I'm chilling back at home for the weekend to give myself a break before flying to Cologne for my hotel at Dusseldorf on Monday as initially planned, I'm assessing options for the remaining two travel days which I plan to use on Tuesday and Wednesday. One day, I definitely plan to travel out to Berlin and back via Frankfurt, obviously taking the potential ICE delays into account (reality hit when I noticed the one train in Strasbourg that was delayed half an hour was *surprise surprise* the ICE service to Paris from Germany) and avoid tight connections like the plague. However, for another day, I have different ideas of what I could do:

  1. Get the RRX to Aachen followed by an ICE to Brussels (spend a bit more time there to have another Belgian Waffle, some fries and get more chocolate) before hopping on IC direct to Rotterdam to explore the Centraal area. Thereafter, onwards to Amsterdam before getting an evening ICE service back to Dusseldorf (due to diversion, I'd have to change at M'gladbach for a local train).
  2. Skip Brussels and go straight into the Netherlands via Venlo (engineering works on Arnhem line have made the ICE a less desirable choice than it already is with compulsory reservations this summer and obvious delays) using RE13 and then NS IC to Utrecht, so I can explore a few more Dutch cities.
  3. Head a completely different direction and get the ICE to Munich and back, possibly stopping over at one or two cities on the way such as Wurzburg or Nuremburg. Otherwise, I could push a bit further and travel further afield to Salzburg (Innsbruck is not as easy unfortunately) from Munich, which is about as far as I could possibly go if I wish to return to Dusseldorf on the same day.
  4. Get an ICE to Stuttgart before going back to Zurich (so I can see a bit more of the city) via Schaffhausen, returning via Basel on ICE or the other way around.
I would appreciate some help deciding which would be a better choice here. Of course, on the day, I can easily change my plans according to how each train is running. However, it is great to hear your suggestions.
 
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I found Nuremburg a quite pleasant place to wander around, Munich also. If it were me I'd head south simply because the scenery in the north is flat and, well, a bit boring! If you do head north though, Leiden is lovely place for a wander around, much more relaxed than Amsterdam
 

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I found Nuremburg a quite pleasant place to wander around, Munich also. If it were me I'd head south simply because the scenery in the north is flat and, well, a bit boring! If you do head north though, Leiden is lovely place for a wander around, much more relaxed than Amsterdam
Fair enough, that's why I'm torn between going south for better scenery or going north because Amsterdam and Rotterdam have always been on my Interrail plans. How's the route from Stuttgart to Schaffhausen? Kinda tempted to pop back to Zürich again because I loved the food selection in their Coop and I really wanna buy more Swiss chocolate from there.
 

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Fair enough, that's why I'm torn between going south for better scenery or going north because Amsterdam and Rotterdam have always been on my Interrail plans. How's the route from Stuttgart to Schaffhausen? Kinda tempted to pop back to Zürich again because I loved the food selection in their Coop and I really wanna buy more Swiss chocolate from there.
Quite scenic to be fair :) But- I was in Germany last week, I'd seriously check how those routes are after the wild rainstorms last week. I know Stuttgart to Ulm was washed out, some routes around Rottweil, Baden Baden etc also. The line via Fulda and Wurzburg is ok as far as I'm aware, but south of Ingolstadt I wouldnt like to say because the Donau burst it's banks. HTIOU!
 

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Quite scenic to be fair :) But- I was in Germany last week, I'd seriously check how those routes are after the wild rainstorms last week. I know Stuttgart to Ulm was washed out, some routes around Rottweil, Baden Baden etc also. The line via Fulda and Wurzburg is ok as far as I'm aware, but south of Ingolstadt I wouldnt like to say because the Donau burst it's banks. HTIOU!
It's actually the other way around; the Wurzburg route to Munich is the affected one. In any case, I'm glad that I didn't try going down to Munich; going to Frankfurt after Berlin on the same day was bad enough, as I shall now elaborate ...

After my first night in the Dusseldorf hotel (I actually liked it: Domo Mondial on booking.com for those interested), I started my next Interrail travel day by deciding on catching the 0652 ICE to Berlin that I initially planned to start off with, as it didn't report any issues (yet). Just a nice morning stroll to the Hauptbahnhof, grabbing a coffee and some nice bakery food from the many outlets available for the journey ahead. Close to departure time as I made my way up to the platform, it appears the train hadn't turned up from the depot yet, despite no information about a delay until the very last minute when they finally informed of a 5-minute delay at departure time. Not the end of the world though, as the train did turn up as a double ICE 2 set bang on the 5-minute delay, so it was a good start to DB standards. Train was as comfortable as I hoped (literally the 2nd class seats are exactly the same as the ones LNER and GWR use in 1st class) and the journey went very smoothly, although the delay did gradually increase over time after Hannover. We eventually arrived into Berlin Hbf with a 25-minute delay (terminated at Hbf and cancelled the Ostbahnhof stop but I only intended to go Hbf anyway so it's all good), which wasn't too bad as I've had many options for the train to Frankfurt to make sure I had enough time to enjoy Berlin, a city I definitely had fun exploring. After taking some time to admire the Hauptbahnhof, I got an S-Bahn over to Alexanderplatz to explore the main sights and a few shops (managed to find my favourite Lindt pistachio bar in the adjacent Galeria so going back to Zurich was no longer necessary) before walking across the main roads to Brandenburg Gate and Potsdamer Platz, where I had a Currywurst (realised how simple they were to make) for lunch at a nice Turkish Restaurant (which makes them with Halal Chicken) next to Mall of Berlin. Getting back to Hbf from Potsdamerplatz in time for the 1500 ICE to Frankfurt was easier said than done, however, as I ended up in the S-Bahn station where (after trying to figure out which platforms were the right direction) I realised I had to change at Freidrichstrasse for Hbf, as the RegionalBahn trains that go direct are in a completely different station that I didn't have time to transfer to. However, at Freidrichstrasse it turns out all westbound trains to the Hbf were cancelled due to some disruption, so I had to faff about with the trams or U-Bahn (finally decided to get the latter after figuring out the right ticket and where I need to go) and decided I won't make the 1500 train, so I might as well just go straight back to Dusseldorf again (which in hindsight, may have been a better idea) on the 1545. However, on my way back to Hbf, I found on the DB Navigator app that the 1500 to Frankfurt was delayed by half an hour anyway, so I could still make it after all. I just about managed to get it upon arrival to Hbf, which happened to be an ICE 1 set.

Thereafter, I had a fun ride to Frankfurt via Halle-Erfurt, as the line was indeed considerably more scenic than Hannover-Wolfsburg as you have all noted. We actually made up some time (maybe 5-10 mins) upon arrival into Frankfurt, so it was not bad. However, after exploring a bit of Frankfurt city centre, I realised the 2009 ICE to Dortmund I was initially planning to catch back to Dusseldorf was delayed by half an hour (it was coming from Munich via the affected Wurzburg line), followed by an additional hour (no longer calling at Hbf so I'd have to get an S-Bahn to the airport) which made me relax a bit more in Frankfurt Hauptwache. However, I relaxed a bit too much, as I found out the S8 and S9 do not go in the tunnels anymore (at least when I was there) but instead, terminates at the Hbf so the 2117 time for the S8 was actually from the Hbf not Hauptwache (Interrail app doesn't take disruptions into account at all which led me to misread the DB Navigator App), which means I'm screwed as I wouldn't make that ICE connection (even with the delay it already racked up) as I wouldn't make it to Hbf (maybe I should have just walked at this point) until half-past at that point. Thereafter, I was frantic to find a connection to the airport, but found the next one was the S9 at 2150 cos no RB or RE trains departing before then were going that way and there were no ICE services departing for another hour. As for what alternative connections (DB Navigator is helpful) I could get once I reached the airport, I found I could get the (delayed to) 2226 ICE to Dortmund straight back to Dusseldorf instead, meaning I'd be back in my hotel by midnight instead of 11pm (my original plan was 9-10pm). However, as soon as I finally reached the airport and made the unexpectedly long walk to the long-distance station from the regional one, I found that service had been cancelled so I had to wait for the (delayed to) 2233 which terminated at Cologne instead. Luckily, it was one of the new ICE 3 units, so I could relax a bit in speed and comfort. At least at Cologne, the RRX was still running past midnight, so I'd still have connections onwards to Dusseldorf which would ultimately be better as the next direct ICE service was an hour later. The delay increased upon arrival because we were held hostage at the signals on the bridge between M/Dtz and Hbf. Thus, I missed the RE1 at 2349 and had to get the RE6 at 0007 arriving in Dusseldorf 0050, so I ended up back at my hotel around 1am, at least four hours later than originally planned. Ultimately, this ended up better than waiting for the direct ICE, as that racked up a greater delay and I found it arrived in Dusseldorf later than my RRX. However, I was shattered by then so it was straight to bed for me after a quick shower.

Following my very eventful day dealing with DB delays and disruptions, I decided to take it easy for the final travel day and just go to the Netherlands as a quick escape from DB territory. To ensure I got a decent amount of rest, I aimed for the RE13 to Venlo at 0748 instead of the originally planned 0648. This arrived from Hamm packed, but nearly everyone got off at Dusseldorf, so I was able to get a seat. Overall, not a bad ride, although we arrived at Venlo 10 minutes late narrowly missing the IC connection to Utrecht. No matter, as the next one is in half an hour (arrived 5 minutes late but easily made up the time so a far cry from DB), so I decided to have a quick wander around the outside of Venlo station, which was very peaceful. IC services from Venlo are operated by the VIRM trains I've wanted to ride for a while, which I definitely enjoyed. While the Dutch scenery is flat, the landscape still had many interesting things to offer like the dedicated cycle highways in rural areas and canals. While the train from Venlo does go through to Rotterdam, it goes the long way round via Amsterdam Airport and The Hague, so it's better to change at Utrecht for a more direct service. Likewise, this gave me a change to explore the ultramodern interchange that is Utrecht Centraal, which definitely impressed me far more than I expected. It felt like a cross between Leeds and Birmingham New Street, but much neater. Thereafter, it was straight onto an IC Koploper to Rotterdam, which was a surprisingly smooth ride for trains built in the 1970s (they appear to be refurbished very well as they felt more modern inside). It was surreal to finally be at Rotterdam Centraal in person, with its modern architecture surrounded by spacious pedestrianised paving and skyscrapers. One thing I've noticed was that virtually every Dutch station had an Albert Heijn convenience store, which had really nice coffee machines. I decided to walk down to the main road with a canal through it (Westersingel) all the way down to the waterfront at Willemsplein, where I could conveniently get a tram back to Centraal (cheap fare tap in tap out, very easy to use) after taking in the views of the Erasmusbrug and surrounding skyscrapers. Thereafter, I got a new ICNG (which had impressive acceleration and fancy interiors to boot) straight up to Amsterdam and found impressive views of the waterfront from Amsterdam Centraal station. The north side of the station had a nice spacious square-like area to enjoy the waterfront and of course, I didn't miss out on the free ferry ride across the river and back. Thereafter, I walked down the historic centre on the other side, but it was understandably packed with tourists as it usually would be. Rotterdam was definitely much more peaceful in comparison. However, I managed to enjoy some local fries by the Damrak and browse the unique Primark (7 floors and free toilet). Thereafter, I went back to the station to do some NS Sprinter bashing to see other parts of the city, taking a route down to Duivendrecht (very interesting station) then Zuid, where I got a nice view of the skyscrapers (not a side of Amsterdam that most people see) from the station while awaiting my train back to Venlo. However, upon boarding the VIRM to Venlo, I realised my hourly connecting train back to Dusseldorf (RE13) was cancelled when checking the DB Navigator app. Luckily, I could catch it from M'Gladbach if I got off at Utrecht for the ICE service that I saw earlier resting at Amsterdam Centraal. The amazing thing was that the ICE service (which I initially wanted to avoid) was running ON TIME for once, a rarity given my experience the day before. Thus, I booked a reservation using the same app (honestly, DB Navigator has been a lifesaver during my stay in Germany) last minute and bailed at Utrecht, where the ICE actually arrived on time (what sorcery is this?) so I could just recline in ultimate comfort for the next 2 hours. Funnily enough, this (supposedly) high-speed train didn't go above 130km/h for the duration of the trip given the Dutch line speed restrictions, so it was running pretty much the same speed as regional (never mind IC) trains would. Thus, when we passed Venlo, the train I initially got off had just arrived with many disappointed passengers only realising that their connecting RE13 has been cancelled. Luckily, I planned ahead. Arrival at M'Gladbach was 5 minutes late, which wasn't an issue given we could all still make the connection with the RE13 to Dusseldorf. Overall, this day ended up being much nicer than I expected.
 

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All sounds like great fun! Did you walk from Frankfurt Hbf to the centre? What were your impressions? I had a hotel (Manhatten) just outside the Hbf but I was not impressed by the locale. Belligerant gangs and beggars, in my face aggressive drug pushers, blatant drug taking and human feaces on the steps from the U bahn. At one point a dealer? in a big black Mercedes held up a tram on the main road to the city whilst he chatted to some guys on the pavement for 10 mins. This was at midday on a saturday!
 

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All sounds like great fun! Did you walk from Frankfurt Hbf to the centre? What were your impressions? I had a hotel (Manhatten) just outside the Hbf but I was not impressed by the locale. Belligerant gangs and beggars, in my face aggressive drug pushers, blatant drug taking and human feaces on the steps from the U bahn. At one point a dealer? in a big black Mercedes held up a tram on the main road to the city whilst he chatted to some guys on the pavement for 10 mins. This was at midday on a saturday!
No, I used the S-Bahn two stops between Hbf and Hauptwache (cos it's valid with Interrail, might as well). I did walk a bit outside Hbf tho to get to a nearby mosque, but I understand what you mean by the area being unpleasant. Düsseldorf is a lot more chill in comparison, so I'm glad I chose a hotel there for proximity to a Hbf, especially when they're cheapest out of any other city in West Germany. I can see how the more affordable hotels near Frankfurt Hbf are "cheap for a reason", as I have read reviews of one such hotel which was £50 a night but everyone hated it for the exact reasons you described.
 

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However, upon boarding the VIRM to Venlo, I realised my hourly connecting train back to Dusseldorf (RE13) was cancelled when checking the DB Navigator app
Those Venlo trains into Germany aren’t especially reliable - I’ve had cancellations both times I’ve used it in the last year, and the subsequent train was therefore packed and late both times.
 

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Those Venlo trains into Germany aren’t especially reliable -
I believe the issue is in the requirement for the drivers to speak Dutch, which is only the case for a limited part of the staff.
Most cross border services therefore use Dutch staff speaking German instead, which is much more common. For example Eurobahn at Hengelo - Bad Bentheim had similar issues before their former owner Keolis Deutschland started cooperating with Keolis Nederland which had a rail franchise on the other side of the border, resulting in Dutch drivers running the Hengelo - Rheine portion of the route.

At the Bad Bentheim and Emmerich border crossing lack of multi-Voltage stock is an issue sometimes, but Venlo has switchable OHLE so there that's not the problem.
 
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