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IET's grounded - what would you run?

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Would it have been possible to use any of the now scrapped 332's during this crisis, or were they knackered?

Edit: Just read they werent allowed elsewhere due to lack of TPWS, but does this rule out all of GWR?
 
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Would it have been possible to use any of the now scrapped 332's during this crisis, or were they knackered?

Edit: Just read they werent allowed elsewhere due to lack of TPWS, but does this rule out all of GWR?
They have been shredded. They could not have been used anywhere except the route they operated throughout their lifetime.
 

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Would it have been possible to use any of the now scrapped 332's during this crisis, or were they knackered?

Edit: Just read they werent allowed elsewhere due to lack of TPWS, but does this rule out all of GWR?

As the 332 withdrawal programme was carefully managed to run down the fleet ahead of major exams that were not cost effective to do, I’m not sure they would have helped.
 

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Would it have been possible to use any of the now scrapped 332's during this crisis, or were they knackered?

Edit: Just read they werent allowed elsewhere due to lack of TPWS, but does this rule out all
Would it have been possible to use any of the now scrapped 332's during this crisis, or were they knackered?

Edit: Just read they werent allowed elsewhere due to lack of TPWS, but does this rule out all of GWR?
This is exactly the sort of situation where the former Heathrow Connect 360s bought by ROG for spot hire would be ideal. Guessing they won’t get used as no GWR drivers sign them.
 

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This is exactly the sort of situation where the former Heathrow Connect 360s bought by ROG for spot hire would be ideal. Guessing they won’t get used as no GWR drivers sign them.
If they came supplied with route qualified drivers maybe.
 

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how long would it take to route train for 90's on the GWML and SWML?
pair a few with some of the stored Mk IV's for Paddinton-Cardiff?
 

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how long would it take to route train for 90's on the GWML and SWML?
pair a few with some of the stored Mk IV's for Paddinton-Cardiff?

Months! You’d have to get Mk4s cleared for a start.

Not sure why you would do that over running 387s
 

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how long would it take to route train for 90's on the GWML and SWML?
pair a few with some of the stored Mk IV's for Paddinton-Cardiff?
Slight problem there in that class 90s cannot operate on the SWML as they are AC only locomotives.
 

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Slight problem there in that class 90s cannot operate on the SWML as they are AC only locomotives.
i was meaning South Wales Main Line not South Western main line, acronyms can be troublesome sometimes

Months! You’d have to get Mk4s cleared for a start.

Not sure why you would do that over running 387s
are there enough 387's for all service patterns if they take over intercity routes?
could also do it with Mk3s but would need derogations and extra staff becuase of the doors
 

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Excellent suggestions here - the only thing I'd do though is extend the 387's to and from Swindon then run Castle trains from there to and from Penzance. 387's do 110mph - Castle HST's I guess 100mph and Turbos 90mph.
That makes sense. Also in the unlikely event that 387s eventually get cleared to run to Cardiff, I would use as many of those as required for London - South Wales services. Then use whatever remaining 80x units there are for London - Bristol TM.
 

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Excellent suggestions here - the only thing I'd do though is extend the 387's to and from Swindon then run Castle trains from there to and from Penzance. 387's do 110mph - Castle HST's I guess 100mph and Turbos 90mph.
Since last Sunday the class 800 guards have been trained so that class 387's can take customers to Swindon as has been mentioned in another thread. Pass Didcot Parkway the class 387's cannot be operated with the driver only as they can between London Paddington and Didcot.
 

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Any word on whether the c2c 387s have entered service yet? Or when their planned introduction is?
 

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Any word on whether the c2c 387s have entered service yet? Or when their planned introduction is?

Not entered service yet.

As FGW_DID has said already; some minor mods needed before they can enter service. There’s also some paperwork / sign offs needed by Ops Standards. Hopefully in a few days.
 

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Not entered service yet.

As FGW_DID has said already; some minor mods needed before they can enter service. There’s also some paperwork / sign offs needed by Ops Standards. Hopefully in a few days.
No worries, thanks!
 

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Put 3rd rail equipment and replace the AWFUL 455’s on Southern. C2C Class 387 should have been sent to Southern! It’s in the flipping colours!
 

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Put 3rd rail equipment and replace the AWFUL 455’s on Southern. C2C Class 387 should have been sent to Southern! It’s in the flipping colours!

Not sure that would have helped with 3/4s reduction in the GWR 800/802 fleets though, which is why they moved to GWR in the first place….
 

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Have the GatEx units entered service yet? Saw them last week at West Ealing sidings with a destination of Cardiff Central…
 

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Most of the IET's are now safe to run so there isn't really a need to speculate anymore.
Such a shame I was really looking forward to some interesting train services but sadly it wasn't to be :(
 

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Have the GatEx units entered service yet? Saw them last week at West Ealing sidings with a destination of Cardiff Central…

No, everything that’s public knowledge is already in the dedicated thread for them here:

 

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Earlier posts said charter stock was going to be used which would've made things interesting.
Four different paint schemes at Reading depot for the same type of electric unit is interesting enough and has the advantage of being both PRM compliant and passenger friendly.

Besides, there are other opportunities to experience travelling behind a a class 67 in a Mark 2f (or similar) on charter trains - riding a 387 at full pelt to Swindon or Bristol Parkway is actually novel - ie something interesting that has come of the issues.

Look at https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V14500/2021-07-30/detailed - a two minute late departure from Paddington and on time into Reading in 22 minutes - that is going something for a 110 mph unit.
 
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what train services? There was never any serious proposals.
In the first couple of days of the crisis there was a very real fear that the whole fleet would have to be grounded. There were inquiries made as to any available stock at high levels during that time. So there were serious proposals, but the problem has been managed so they’ve not needed to activate those proposals.
 
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