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Ashley Hill

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The railway I volunteer also has its own version of PTS called a work permit. On top of that you are also expected to undertake courses such as Safe Working at Hights and other briefings. It is fair to say it does put some members off as they can’t be bothered with it and leave. It’s a shame but it’s a litigious world we live in,it’s not like the old days when you turn up have a ballast fork thrust in your hand and get on with it.
 
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The railway I volunteer also has its own version of PTS called a work permit. On top of that you are also expected to undertake courses such as Safe Working at Hights and other briefings. It is fair to say it does put some members off as they can’t be bothered with it and leave. It’s a shame but it’s a litigious world we live in,it’s not like the old days when you turn up have a ballast fork thrust in your hand and get on with it.

It will be the deceased volunteers "nearest and dearest" who will be consulting an "ambulance chasing no win no fee" lawyer to get the compensation they think is due.
 

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The railway I volunteer also has its own version of PTS called a work permit. On top of that you are also expected to undertake courses such as Safe Working at Hights and other briefings. It is fair to say it does put some members off as they can’t be bothered with it and leave. It’s a shame but it’s a litigious world we live in,it’s not like the old days when you turn up have a ballast fork thrust in your hand and get on with it.
I understand the sentiment, and sort of agree.
Having volunteered as a teenager in the 1990's, there was none of this, it just started to come in as I went off to university around the turn of the century and we didn't like it. But none of us had any formal qualifications for anything. I worked trackside, drove steam and diesel locos and fired steam locos after training and assessment by my peers and a long retired BR traction inspector. No certificates or anything. It was great!
But... I did nearly get killed in a shunting accident. So there's that.
And I was exposed to asbestos in a pretty blatant disregard of the law when we found loads of it lagging the boiler and firebox of a derelict loco we were attempting to restore
It will be the deceased volunteers "nearest and dearest" who will be consulting an "ambulance chasing no win no fee" lawyer to get the compensation they think is due.
Indeed. And looking back I do squirm a bit at how close I came to serious injury or death, and I do wonder if the asbestos incident will catch up with me one day.
 
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I feel many of the heritage railways have extended too much and have become simply too long. Most casual visitors to a heritage line are looking for an afternoon out with a mixture of activities, so maybe a look around a small museum, watching a train come and go, a short train ride, a nice afternoon tea, may be some sort of add-on activity, for example a children's play area, a miniature train ride, a model railway, a falconry display, a picnic area, local produce for sale etc., rounding off with a poke around the souvenir shop. For most people this provides a much more stimulating package than spending perhaps several hours cooped-up on a train for most of the afternoon.

This would provide variety for the visitor, and for the railway it would mean far, far less cost in maintenance as the upkeep of the expensive infrastructure costs a fortune. A line length of around five miles, providing a ten-mile round trip is ideal. Not only does it cost less to maintain, but it would allow the volunteer workforce to really concentrate and focus their efforts to create a really well-presented package, with everything freshly painted, neatly clipped and in pristine working order.

Most heritage railways also need to clear-out and dispose of all the junk they have accumulated over the decades, rusting locomotives, rotting wagons, coaches covered in tarpaulins and piles of old rails and sleepers present a terrible image to the public, one would't go to a theme park and see hordes of old roller coasters cast-aside and languishing in the long grass. We have plenty locomotives, so as sad as it may be, any locomotives which haven't so far been restored can be considered as surplus and can be dismantled to salvage useful parts before being sold off for scrap. Sell off the junk and put the money towards developing an interactive app to enhance the visitors experience (and continue when they get home, perhaps resulting in another visit). Think carefully about the route and maybe consider closing part of the line, recover the potentially useful assets and again the remainder can go for disposal. Some of the land could probably be sold for commercial development or be converted to footpaths, cycle ways etc - a cost-effective way of providing another activity for visitors.

We have entered a new era, and people looking for a much more polished and varied 'package' rather than a long train ride, so it's time for a re-think. The railways that adapt to this 'new world' will have a great future!
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I agree about getting rid of the junk but I think the trouble is that much of is owned privately?

Are owners generally allowed to keep their rescued wrecks on the railway for free or are they charged a realistic rent?

I gather the two rotten 26s at Boat of Garten are privately owned but that rent might be in arrears on them. How common this is, if true, I have no idea. The small line of Barry-grade steam locomotives at Bridge of Dun have nothing to do with the Caledonian Railway, sadly. I gather they sit behind the railway's boundary on private land, while out on public display (see attached).


I get the impression that you could turn up at Eastfield in the early '90s with a low loader and they would virtually give away 26s. The tricky bit is dealing with dodgy BRCW metalwork, generators needing rewound, wheels needing turned, leaks everywhere etc.

I feel like a lot of junk on heritage railways was cheap at the point of purchase but the timeline for getting things running (and earning money!) just became incrementally longer and longer. Some of it, like windowless departmental stock, vans, cranes etc seems to be of dubious use beyond demonstration trains, if it all could be miraculously returned to factory condition. Preservation for the sake of it, with no interpretation to tell you why this lump of rust is a vital relic.

Likewise Network Rail were selling off the last of their 31s a few years back, with completely worn wheels sets. Cheap Peds, with expensive bills waiting in the wings.
 

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Personally i often find the collection of line-side "junk" the preserved railway has accumulated one of the most interesting bits of the visit!
 

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Whether a heritage line has a main line connection (and connects reasonably well with National Rail franchised rail operators' passenger trains) is a fairly major determinant as to whether I will visit on a forthcoming September 2023 holiday before I visit Europe again.

In the interests of balance - the Mid Norfolk Railway when running to Wymondham is about a 15 minute walk away from the mainline station - that's hardly an excessive distance to walk or it's 5 minutes in a taxi.

To put it in context, the East Lancs which you also mentioned is about a 10 minute walk from Bury Interchange to Bury Bolton Street.
 

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I gather the two rotten 26s at Boat of Garten are privately owned but that rent might be in arrears on them. How common this is, if true, I have no idea. The small line of Barry-grade steam locomotives at Bridge of Dun have nothing to do with the Caledonian Railway, sadly. I gather they sit behind the railway's boundary on private land, while out on public display (see attached).


I get the impression that you could turn up at Eastfield in the early '90s with a low loader and they would virtually give away 26s. The tricky bit is dealing with dodgy BRCW metalwork, generators needing rewound, wheels needing turned, leaks everywhere etc.

I feel like a lot of junk on heritage railways was cheap at the point of purchase but the timeline for getting things running (and earning money!) just became incrementally longer and longer. Some of it, like windowless departmental stock, vans, cranes etc seems to be of dubious use beyond demonstration trains, if it all could be miraculously returned to factory condition. Preservation for the sake of it, with no interpretation to tell you why this lump of rust is a vital relic.

Likewise Network Rail were selling off the last of their 31s a few years back, with completely worn wheels sets. Cheap Peds, with expensive bills waiting in the wings.
Lots of spares there, weigh the rest in. Scrap prices are high.
 

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Personally i often find the collection of line-side "junk" the preserved railway has accumulated one of the most interesting bits of the visit!

Yeah I would be lying if I didn't admit to finding it quite intriguing, but that is me speaking as a railfan and not a curious tourist. Railfans have bottomless daft ideas about how things should be preserved, restored and operated.


On the flip side, it would be a bit odd to go to a car museum and be greeted by a row of cars on jacks or piles of bricks, with engines missing and windows broken. Some of the other cars are in concourse condition, but they are hidden indoors and only come out on special occasions.
 

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I find that I am a "Railfan with daft ideas" as I work with a group of others restoring 16T mineral wagons on the GCR. I have supported the preservation effort since the earliest days in 1969 and have been directly involved with the "Windcutter Project" since 1993. So yes we have -now, 30 wagons which seemingly mostly sit in the sidings getting rusty. Yet they, all bar one, have been running on the GCR. We now have 23 which have passed their annual "Fitness to Run" examination for 2023. Basically it is taking volunteers between 3 to 9 months to restore a non running wagon. So they sit outside for many years between overhauls.
So why do we do this? Because Railways were built to move goods more cheaply over land than any other method. They still do. Therefore these wagons are fundamental to educate about railways. The charitable benefits that the railway obtains depend to a large extent on an educational remit. Heritage railway finances depend upon a variety of income streams.
The point made in post #234 is not quite valid as there are specific railway museums with pristine locomotives. But a Heritage Railway is more like a race circuit ...and you do see cars on jacks and in bits in the pits.
 

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Can we try and get back on topic a little please. If someone wants to start a thread about apps they’re welcome to obviously.

Ok, just use this one: :lol:
 
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