Will TfL keep the 717s if it takes control of the Northern City Line or will it want a more homogenous fleet?
TfL step closer to takeover of Great Northern line into Moorgate
The Great Northern line out of Moorgate to Stevenage could be handed to TfL as plans to devolve them took a step forward.www.ianvisits.co.uk
London Overground operate a very simple fleet of very unique, solely Bombardier trains that are easily recognisable as London Overground. Class 717s are almost identical to the Thameslink trains that they work alongside, look nothing like the rest of London Overground’s fleet and are Siemens trains too! I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the 717s were mothballed like the 707s, and replaced by another order of 710s that would displace 378s off of the North London Line and onto the Moorgates. 378s have the emergency escape doors and this would keep the uniform London Overground look.
Will TfL keep the 717s if it takes control of the Northern City Line or will it want a more homogenous fleet?
TfL step closer to takeover of Great Northern line into Moorgate
The Great Northern line out of Moorgate to Stevenage could be handed to TfL as plans to devolve them took a step forward.www.ianvisits.co.uk
How would they “bring the service levels up”? TfL aren’t going to suddenly come along with more track capacity...
ETCS will (the current limitation is Moorgate approach control) and GTR ordered enough extra units for the uplift.
Because they wen't built in Derby?
I should probably have written “beyond what is already planned“. You’d have to assume this would happen irrespective of whether TfL or a normal TOC was in place.
Step up the drivers as LU do to get 36tph on the Victoria line in similar circumstances (Northern at Morden etc).
And change the current agreement on face to face relief
TfL don't have loads of money as they are spending it on upgrading LU lines.
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It's explained in the document - the new 717 trains. They just are arriving later than originally planned.Route Info Sheet 1-GN Metro.pdf
How did GTR plan on delivering what is set out in that document?
So they still plan on 6tph?
I'm sure others here can provide a better/fuller answer but I believe face to face relief is where one drivers duty driving a specific train ends and they hand over the train to another driver. Since they might have encountered an issue with the train then by having the relief face to face they can advise the next driver of the issue, always assuming that the issue wasn't serious enough to have warranted them reporting it already e.g. to their control.
My point wasn't at aiming for 36tph (16 or 18tph with 2tph of spare paths for recovery every 30mins is perfectly sensible increase from PreCvoid levels) it was just illustrating what LU can do with everything optimised off the back of wanting to improve performance. The lack of overrun is a big limitation but the current 1970's approach control is an additional performance limitation on top, ETCS offers a round to remove most of the issue with the later which then leaves the issue of getting the driver to the other end often against passenger flow quickly enough to boot up the other cab at slightly higher than current higher tph, a two pronged approach is need to increase service levels.
