Integrated Ticketing (TRAM-TRAIN)

[WestRiding]

Just wondering what people think may happen with ticketing on the soon to be running tram train in Sheffield. I am hoping that a passenger will for example, be able to buy a THROUGH ticket from Heavy Rail stations to some where such as Cathedral or Centertainment. But i have a funny fealing that it will be totally segregated with Supertram ticketing and Heavy Rail tickets. In the true spirit of integrated travel, i believe that you should be able, for example, to buy a Day Return, from Moorthorpe to Centertainment, changing from train to tram train at Rotherham Central, or the same journey in reverse buying through tickets from the Tram Conductor. I wonder......... i think i may be dissapointed.

 

[34D]

Just wondering what people think may happen with ticketing on the soon to be running tram train in Sheffield. I am hoping that a passenger will for example, be able to buy a THROUGH ticket from Heavy Rail stations to some where such as Cathedral or Centertainment. But i have a funny fealing that it will be totally segregated with Supertram ticketing and Heavy Rail tickets. In the true spirit of integrated travel, i believe that you should be able, for example, to buy a Day Return, from Moorthorpe to Centertainment, changing from train to tram train at Rotherham Central, or the same journey in reverse buying through tickets from the Tram Conductor. I wonder......... i think i may be dissapointed.

Is this actually happening then? I mean, I was unaware that it was anything oither than a wishlist!

 

[WestRiding]

Yes, to be in service by early 2015

 

[telstarbox]

No announcements have been made by the DfT or SYPTE on the tram train project since May 2012.

 

[yorkie]

Just wondering what people think may happen with ticketing on the soon to be running tram train in Sheffield.

I am opposed to the way that ticketing has been implemented on almost all light rail replacements for heavy rail services.

I am hoping that a passenger will for example, be able to buy a THROUGH ticket from Heavy Rail stations to some where such as Cathedral or Centertainment. But i have a funny fealing that it will be totally segregated with Supertram ticketing and Heavy Rail tickets. In the true spirit of integrated travel, i believe that you should be able, for example, to buy a Day Return, from Moorthorpe to Centertainment, changing from train to tram train at Rotherham Central, or the same journey in reverse buying through tickets from the Tram Conductor. I wonder......... i think i may be dissapointed.

I share your concerns. However it is worth noting that an integrated ticket does already exist in the form of Sheffield PlusBus, which is valid on trams in Sheffield.

 

[OwlMan]

I am opposed to the way that ticketing has been implemented on almost all light rail replacements for heavy rail services.

I share your concerns. However it is worth noting that an integrated ticket does already exist in the form of Sheffield PlusBus, which is valid on trams in Sheffield.

There is also a detination Sheffield Supertram (K392) valid to any Supertram stop

THe Manual
Add-on amounts Sheffield SuperTram K392
£2.70 - Adult day return tram fare
£1.50 - Child day return tram fare
£11.00 - Weekly season ticket
Railcard discounts are not available.

Peter

 

[WestRiding]

but these tickets are no good for some travelling from the wider network who wants a day return to tinsley south or hyde park etc, making use of the tram train. And, it is defo going ahead, we have all the literature and plans in the signal box, the dft has said nothing because there is nothing to say. Probably awaiting all the 'paper work' going through and a start date.

MARCH 2013 - END OF GRIP 4 / START OF GRIP 5 (DETAILED DESIGN)
FEBRUARY 2014 - START ON SITE
JUNE 2014 - OLE GOES LIVE
OCTOBER 2014 - SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION
DECEMBER 2014 - DELIVERY OF FIRST TRAM TRAIN / START OF TESTING
JUNE 2015 - ENTRY INTO PUBLIC SERVICE

This is also assosiated with re-signalling of Woodburn box that will be taken over by Sheffield PSB

Whilst i generally applaud the bus plus thing, it is alot of extra expense to stay on what will essentially be rail transport of the same distance but into the city centre on a different line.

 

[northwichcat]

Someone posted on here before that although the tram-train is to be a Northern service the trial will be provided by Supertram on behalf of Northern, who will add the tram-train calls in to the existing Supertram ticketing system.

 

[tbtc]

Where to draw the line though?

Through fares from NR stations to Supertram stations not served by the TramTrain service?

Through fares from NR stations to the three "TramLink" bus services?

There are already arguments in Sheffield about whether things like bikes will be allowed on these TramTrains (not allowed on Supertram, but allowed on NR), whether OAP passes will apply in line with NR or Supertram agreements (S Yorks pass holders get free rail travel AIUI, but anyone with an English pass can use Supertram for free - should this be extended to allow all English pass holders to use the TramTrain?).

I don't know the answer to these, but I'd be amazed if a Tram Conductor started selling a full range of NR tickets...

 

[northwichcat]

I don't know the answer to these, but I'd be amazed if a Tram Conductor started selling a full range of NR tickets...

Considering they have portable machines issuing bus style tickets that would likely require the purchase of new more sophisticated machines.

One of the criticisms with Manchester Metrolink is you can buy, for instance, Sheffield to Sale (Metrolink) return but you can't buy Sale (Metrolink) to Sheffield return. The latter can't even be purchased in advance from a rail station or a online rail ticket selling site.

 

[tbtc]

Considering they have portable machines issuing bus style tickets that would likely require the purchase of new more sophisticated machines

The problem I guess is where they are going to draw the line. The current Supertram system serves two NR stations so should all of the trams offer the same facilities that the TramTrains do?

I'm not sure whether the TramTrains are going to stick to a self contained service (Parkgate - Cathedral) or be integrated with Supertram more (serving suburban Sheffield too) - it's going to cause some confusion either way because there will be some things you can do on a TramTrain that you can't do on either a Tram or a Train.

 

[button_boxer]

I'm not sure whether the TramTrains are going to stick to a self contained service (Parkgate - Cathedral) or be integrated with Supertram more (serving suburban Sheffield too) - it's going to cause some confusion either way because there will be some things you can do on a TramTrain that you can't do on either a Tram or a Train.

I suspect the former, since Tinsley to Cathedral is entirely segregated from road traffic (apart from a couple of traffic light controlled road crossings) whereas continuing out towards Halfway or Hillsborough would involve street running. Presumably the tram-train vehicles will be heavier than the existing trams.