startingaparty
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By explain, I mean suggest reasons for!
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Is anyone able to explain this train on a suburban road?
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startingaparty
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Interesting, thanks! I wonder what the "Flex..." logo is on the side?
'Flex' is the name that Porterbrook, the Train's owners, have given to their programme of converting EMUs to DEMUs by adding diesel engines and DC generators.
swt_passenger
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FLEX is the owners (Porterbrook’s) name for the conversion of 319s into 769s. It’s a term widely used in many existing 769 threads...
Flex is the marketing name for the 769s.
Where was the photo taken? The conversion from Class 319 is being done at Brush in Loughborough and they will probably be delivered to Allerton depot in Liverpool.
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I think it was the same location as this one on Flickr which was taken at Albert St In Cardiff.
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Albert Street [Cardiff] 10/7/20
DTSO [A] 77378 [769445] waits to enter Cardiff Brickyard Sidings on the back of an Allelys low loader.
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I think it was the same location as this one on Flickr which was taken at Albert St In Cardiff.
Albert Street [Cardiff] 10/7/20
DTSO [A] 77378 [769445] waits to enter Cardiff Brickyard Sidings on the back of an Allelys low loader.
Why would one in Northern livery be going to Cardiff?
LSWR Cavalier
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Why are they not delivered by rail?
Transport for Wales are recieving 769 units - made from 319s. They have received 8.75 of them so far but due to delays one of the end carriages is yet to be delivered and won’t be for a while.
The other 3/4s of the unit have been delivered but couldn’t be moved from the Brickyard sidings to Canton Depot without the driving unit. As a result this 319 car has been supplied to allow the unit to move across to the depot whilst the 769 end unit is completed.
The other 3/4s of the unit have been delivered but couldn’t be moved from the Brickyard sidings to Canton Depot without the driving unit. As a result this 319 car has been supplied to allow the unit to move across to the depot whilst the 769 end unit is completed.
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Road haulage cheaper than hiring a loco and/or paying track access charges?
Maybe was a Northern unit before conversion and they just didn't repaint it?
charley_17/7
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Looking at the architectural style of the houses it looks far more likely to be Stratford Road, Wolverton to me?
zuriblue
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The one I saw was ‘This is what happens when you buy a train set on Wish’
Nicholas Lewis
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I despair of the rail industry that it doesn't fix this its absolute madness and negative press for the railway. Why don't RDG take the bull by the horns to get it sorted with industry groups. r
High Dyke
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Equally, the vehicle may not be authorised to run on the track. It wouldn't be the first time a vehicle has appeared in a train consist, only to find it shouldn't have been running.
matt_world2004
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Isn't track access charges quite cheap though .something in the region of £3.00 a mile for a five carriage train.
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It looked smaller on eBay to be fair...didn't half cost me in shipping though!
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What’s mad about it?
Is it mad that large numbers of road vehicles are transported at once on the back of a train when there are perfectly good roads? Is it negative press for those manufacturers to have their vehicles on a train from A to B instead of being driven? No, because you play to the relevant strengths.
The railway’s best at moving large amounts, preferably on predictable flows, not one vehicle on it’s own. The track access charges might be low, but they’re still higher than the road access ones, driver wages are likely higher than the lorry driver’s, and you’ll likely need more than one due to route and traction knowledge issues, never a problem on the road. How about certification, is the stock even cleared for the route? Again, not a problem on the roads, despite many low bridges. As for fuel, you might get a little better than 1mpg for a diesel hauled train, 5-7mpg probably for the road haulier (this type is a bit specialised), while red diesel’s only a little under half the price of normal, so fuel costs for rail will still be between 2 and 3 times that of road.
if there were a lot of vehicles being moved, such as a number of units on delivery, they’d likely move by rail, but it’s really not worth it for this.
StripeyNick
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The latest 769 delivered to Cardiff carries Northern livery as they repaint them at Canton.
They were originally transferred to Cardiff by rail but apparently a gauging issue has been discovered en-route meaning the last 3 or 4 have had to come down via road. I presume the issue is somewhere that prevents a diversion.
They were originally transferred to Cardiff by rail but apparently a gauging issue has been discovered en-route meaning the last 3 or 4 have had to come down via road. I presume the issue is somewhere that prevents a diversion.
Bletchleyite
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That only has houses on one side, the works and stuff built on the former works site take up the other side all the way along.
Strictly speaking they're bi-modes (albeit for TfW the pantographs are removed), giving them 750-799 to play with in terms of numbers.
Nicholas Lewis
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There not standard loads they need clearance from the police and often have restricted times for movement and routing issues so need plenty of planning and specialist knowledge like a rail movement.
All the other issues are ones the industry needs to deal with but i don't buy like traction knowledge there are plenty of private hauliers that would have moved this by rail ie ROG. Track access charges should be waived for movements like this in fact do track access charges have a place anymore it was driven by EU deregulation and with direct award/concessions being bank rolled by the taxpayer why have an unnecessary money go around.
Finally if your saying road haulage is more efficient then we are lost.
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2xx is a single mode diesel electric, no external power.
750-799 is electric OR “Self powered” - which is not really the same as 2xx.
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Mikey C
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It's not Albert Street as you can a front garden in the photo which the houses in Albert Street don't haveI think it was the same location as this one on Flickr which was taken at Albert St In Cardiff.
Albert Street [Cardiff] 10/7/20
DTSO [A] 77378 [769445] waits to enter Cardiff Brickyard Sidings on the back of an Allelys low loader.
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