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I've received a court letter for fare evasion.

lac705

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Last year on my regular commute from City Thameslink to Harpenden station, ticket inspectors on the train asked to show tickets. I showed mine. They then asked to see my Railcard, which I then showed, however upon my surprise it was expired by a few weeks. Incident happened in first few days of November, Railcard expired in October. I tried to explain that this was a genuine mistake, that they could see by how recently my Railcard expired that this was an oversight, I missed the email notification of expiry etc. The ticket inspector then asked for my details, I then said I would pay for a full price ticket to rectify the mistake and that I can show evidence of all my previous travels before the Railcard expired, showing I always followed the rules etc. Of course rules were rules and I got a ticket.

The reason I missed the original notification of expiry was due to how busy I was at the time and the sheer volume of emails I received, I did not even know about the email until after the incident. Of course I understand that regardless it was my responsibility to be diligent about my documents.

As I mentioned this period was a very busy one for me so I missed the initial penalty notice cut off, and then while away from home I received a letter for a settlement around early March. I did not know about this letter until early last week when I returned home. Fast forward a couple days later and I receive a court summons. The standard magistrates court charge letter where I have to plead guilty or not guilty, provide financial information etc.

Today I drafted a letter to the prosecutions department of GTR and had it sent by the fastest guaranteed service for tomorrow. My court date is around 2 and a half weeks away. I'm hoping they will respond in time and accept my apology and offer to settle out of court. Is there any other way to contact them since I am running extremely short on time with the fast approaching court date?

The second question I have is I'm joining the army and scheduled to start training in the Summer. If the worst was to happen and they don't accept and I get a conviction, there is a possibility of a unspent conviction waiver that would allow me to start training (this is at the army's discretion and not guaranteed). However I looked up Magistrate Courts charge to conviction average time, and with the current backlog, the average is months, with many even being around a year. This would of course be a huge setback for me as I would not be able to join until the case has been concluded, as an unspent conviction waiver can't apply until the case is over. Does anyone know how long these usually take to fully conclude?

Below is the letter I sent

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Prosecutions Department
Eastside Offices
King’s Cross Railway Station
London N1C 4AX




Ref: ****************
Date of Incident:

Dear Fare Evasion Manager,

I am writing in response to your letter regarding reference ************ and the court letters I received. I wish to begin by offering my sincerest apologies for this unfortunate situation. I deeply regret any inconvenience caused and want to assure you that this was never my intention.

I have been a regular and law-abiding commuter for many years and have always taken pride in ensuring that I am an upstanding citizen. Unfortunately, due to an oversight, my railcard expired a few weeks prior in October 2024 without my realization. The email notification regarding its expiration went unnoticed as I was extremely busy with work and personal commitments, I have now learnt to be more diligent in the future to avoid situations like this. When I presented my ticket for inspection, I was genuinely shocked to discover that my railcard was no longer valid. I immediately offered to pay for another ticket to rectify the mistake and renew my railcard as soon as I could, but I fully understand that the rules must be followed.

Regrettably, I also missed the deadline to respond to the initial penalty notice due to ongoing travel, illness, and disorganization on my part. I take full responsibility for this and recognize that I should have been more proactive and organised. This experience has taught me a crucial lesson about staying organized and ensuring that all documents are up to date.

I am keen to settle this matter amicably and avoid court proceedings. I deeply respect the railway services and the hard work of their staff, and I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to resolve this by paying the outstanding fare, any administrative costs, and any appropriate penalty. Additionally, I am due to begin training with the British Army in July. A conviction would not allow me to join until spent, which would be a huge set-back for me, and a spent conviction could impact my future career opportunities, particularly in units with strict security clearance requirements. Given that the court date is approaching fast, I would be immensely grateful for any discretion that can be extended in this matter to resolve this as soon as possible.

Once again, I sincerely apologize for the oversight and any inconvenience caused. I hope you will consider my request to please settle this matter out of court.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I greatly appreciate your understanding and look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,"
 
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Last year on my regular commute from City Thameslink to Harpenden station, ticket inspectors on the train asked to show tickets. I showed mine. They then asked to see my Railcard, which I then showed, however upon my surprise it was expired by a few weeks. Incident happened in first few days of November, Railcard expired in October. I tried to explain that this was a genuine mistake, that they could see by how recently my Railcard expired that this was an oversight, I missed the email notification of expiry etc. The ticket inspector then asked for my details, I then said I would pay for a full price ticket to rectify the mistake and that I can show evidence of all my previous travels before the Railcard expired, showing I always followed the rules etc. Of course rules were rules and I got a ticket.

The reason I missed the original notification of expiry was due to how busy I was at the time and the sheer volume of emails I received, I did not even know about the email until after the incident. Of course I understand that regardless it was my responsibility to be diligent about my documents.

As I mentioned this period was a very busy one for me so I missed the initial penalty notice cut off, and then while away from home I received a letter for a settlement around early March. I did not know about this letter until early last week when I returned home. Fast forward a couple days later and I receive a court summons. The standard magistrates court charge letter where I have to plead guilty or not guilty, provide financial information etc.

Today I drafted a letter to the prosecutions department of GTR and had it sent by the fastest guaranteed service for tomorrow. My court date is around 2 and a half weeks away. I'm hoping they will respond in time and accept my apology and offer to settle out of court. Is there any other way to contact them since I am running extremely short on time with the fast approaching court date?

The second question I have is I'm joining the army and scheduled to start training in the Summer. If the worst was to happen and they don't accept and I get a conviction, there is a possibility of a unspent conviction waiver that would allow me to start training (this is at the army's discretion and not guaranteed). However I looked up Magistrate Courts charge to conviction average time, and with the current backlog, the average is months, with many even being around a year. This would of course be a huge setback for me as I would not be able to join until the case has been concluded, as an unspent conviction waiver can't apply until the case is over. Does anyone know how long these usually take to fully conclude?

Below is the letter I sent

"
Prosecutions Department
Eastside Offices
King’s Cross Railway Station
London N1C 4AX




Ref: ****************
Date of Incident:

Dear Fare Evasion Manager,

I am writing in response to your letter regarding reference ************ and the court letters I received. I wish to begin by offering my sincerest apologies for this unfortunate situation. I deeply regret any inconvenience caused and want to assure you that this was never my intention.

I have been a regular and law-abiding commuter for many years and have always taken pride in ensuring that I am an upstanding citizen. Unfortunately, due to an oversight, my railcard expired a few weeks prior in October 2024 without my realization. The email notification regarding its expiration went unnoticed as I was extremely busy with work and personal commitments, I have now learnt to be more diligent in the future to avoid situations like this. When I presented my ticket for inspection, I was genuinely shocked to discover that my railcard was no longer valid. I immediately offered to pay for another ticket to rectify the mistake and renew my railcard as soon as I could, but I fully understand that the rules must be followed.

Regrettably, I also missed the deadline to respond to the initial penalty notice due to ongoing travel, illness, and disorganization on my part. I take full responsibility for this and recognize that I should have been more proactive and organised. This experience has taught me a crucial lesson about staying organized and ensuring that all documents are up to date.

I am keen to settle this matter amicably and avoid court proceedings. I deeply respect the railway services and the hard work of their staff, and I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to resolve this by paying the outstanding fare, any administrative costs, and any appropriate penalty. Additionally, I am due to begin training with the British Army in July. A conviction would not allow me to join until spent, which would be a huge set-back for me, and a spent conviction could impact my future career opportunities, particularly in units with strict security clearance requirements. Given that the court date is approaching fast, I would be immensely grateful for any discretion that can be extended in this matter to resolve this as soon as possible.

Once again, I sincerely apologize for the oversight and any inconvenience caused. I hope you will consider my request to please settle this matter out of court.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I greatly appreciate your understanding and look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,"
Hi and welcome

It will not doubt be of help for you to upload copies of any paperwork you have received with your personal details and ref number blanked out

But just to check

are you saying you have now received court papers? I assume the answer is 'yes'

it's the usual practice of the railway company to write to you with a letter about this before they escalate that to court action. Is that the letter that you mention was received in early March but you did not do anything about / where away when it arrived?

If so, what did you do with that letter, did you reply in any way? Or did the court papers come so quickly you had no chance to do so.

Key question is what is the deadline for you to get the court papers back to the court?

You must not miss that deadline.

That's the timescale in which you've got to try to persuade the railway company to agree an out of court settlement and withdraw the court action.

You can buy a bit more time by pleading Not Guilty and asking for it to be dealt with in person (not via the SJPN if they are proposing that) - but if you have some time before the court papers deadline to returning the paperwork you might not need to go down that route anyway.

If you can - hold off sending your draft to them for eg 24 hours so as you can get the best advice form here on what to do and the best wording to use.
 

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Hi and welcome

It will not doubt be of help for you to upload copies of any paperwork you have received with your personal details and ref number blanked out

But just to check

are you saying you have now received court papers? I assume the answer is 'yes'

it's the usual practice of the railway company to write to you with a letter about this before they escalate that to court action. Is that the letter that you mention was received in early March but you did not do anything about / where away when it arrived?

If so, what did you do with that letter, did you reply in any way? Or did the court papers come so quickly you had no chance to do so.

Key question is what is the deadline for you to get the court papers back to the court?

You must not miss that deadline.

That's the timescale in which you've got to try to persuade the railway company to agree an out of court settlement and withdraw the court action.

You can buy a bit more time by pleading Not Guilty and asking for it to be dealt with in person (not via the SJPN if they are proposing that) - but if you have some time before the court papers deadline to returning the paperwork you might not need to go down that route anyway.

If you can - hold off sending your draft to them for eg 24 hours so as you can get the best advice form here on what to do and the best wording to use.
Thanks for your reply.

Yes they sent that letter however I missed the deadline to respond in time as I mentioned. I did not do anything regarding this letter, thus far GTR have had no correspondence from me.

The court papers say I have to provide those details within 21 days of the date they were sent which is I think 2 weeks from today.

I've already sent the letter for an out of court settlement today by post for delivery tomorrow. Given I don't have much time I'm also trying to find any other contact details to potentially speed up the process if they don't respond to the letter in time.
 
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Thanks for your reply.

Yes they sent that letter however I missed the deadline to respond in time as I mentioned. I did not do anything regarding this letter, thus far GTR have had no correspondence from me.

The court papers say I have to provide those details within 21 days of the date they were sent which is I think 2 weeks from today.

I've already sent the letter for an out of court settlement today by post for delivery tomorrow.
Thanks for this and your clarifications - I would have suggested some minor adjustments to the letter you drafted (mainly the bits where you admit to being disorganised which I would have suggested removing :lol:), but not such that they will fundamentally alter what you were saying in your letter - which seems to cover the key points.

What you probably need to do now is

a) keep a close eye out for any reply from the railway to your letter, particularly (including by e-mail and check spam) as it gets towards the deadline for the court papers, bearing in mind that you will have to send off the court papers a few days before their deadline (or next day delivery at the royal mail charge for that) so as not to miss that deadline

b) see what others see here on what plea to put to buy a bit more time if it gets near the court papers deadline and you have not had a reply to your letter, and the pros and cons of the options

Be aware they might charge you a bit more in their 'admin' fee if they offer a settlement, since your failure to respond to the earlier letter for whatever reason has probably resulted in then undertaking more admin to prepare the court docs etc their side.
 

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Welcome to the forum!

We really need to see all of the paperwork you were sent to advise properly. Can you upload redacted copies.

I'm particularly interested in what you were given at the time you were caught, was it a Penalty Fare or a Witness Statement?
 

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Welcome to the forum!

We really need to see all of the paperwork you were sent to advise properly. Can you upload redacted copies.

I'm particularly interested in what you were given at the time you were caught, was it a Penalty Fare or a Witness Statement?
I'll upload them later. I received a penalty fare on the train, then a letter a couple months later with the penalty being more, then the court charge papers which came after that.
 

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I received a penalty fare on the train,
Did you receive a Penalty Fare and, if so, did you pay it? Or were you actually issued with something else that you took to be a Penalty Fare but actually wasn't?
 

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Did you receive a Penalty Fare and, if so, did you pay it? Or were you actually issued with something else that you took to be a Penalty Fare but actually wasn't?
No it was definitely a penalty fare. It had the amount on it and the information on how to pay etc. I intended to appeal at the time because of how recently my Railcard expired, however I ended up misplacing it.
 

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So you didn't enter an appeal and didn't pay the PF?
Nope. Exactly as I mentioned in the post this was a very busy period for me so I missed the deadline to pay. Was not at my home address when the letter arrived by the time I opened it the court letters came a few days later
 

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Nope. Exactly as I mentioned in the post this was a very busy period for me so I missed the deadline to pay. Was not at my home address when the letter arrived by the time I opened it the court letters came a few days later
Thanks. In which case, the problem for me with what you have sent to GTR is that it won't instil confidence that they will get paid promptly if they are still prepared to offer a settlement. Having sent it, though, all you can now do is wait and see what response you get, and be prepared to make an immediate payment if you are provided with that option.
 

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Thanks. In which case, the problem for me with what you have sent to GTR is that it won't instil confidence that they will get paid promptly if they are still prepared to offer a settlement. Having sent it, though, all you can now do is wait and see what response you get, and be prepared to make an immediate payment if you are provided with that option.
Hopefully they accept, I did explain in the letter why I missed the initial payment deadlines.

If the worst case scenario happens and this does end up going to court, are these types of cases concluded on the day of the court?
 

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If the worst case scenario happens and this does end up going to court, are these types of cases concluded on the day of the court?
In the vast majority of cases, yes. You say that you have received a summons, and that will show the date that the case will be heard by the court. Unless you submit a plea of 'not guilty' it will be decided there and then.
 

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So I have not yet heard back from them yet. Does anyone have any other contact details? I still have until next Wednesday to send the court letters, the problem is I do not want the court settlement to be any time after June as if it is this means I cannot start my intake with the Army, so I'm unsure whether to just plead guilty and hope on the day of court the prosecution allow me to pay there and then as I've heard this has been the case before.
 

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So I have not yet heard back from them yet. Does anyone have any other contact details? I still have until next Wednesday to send the court letters, the problem is I do not want the court settlement to be any time after June as if it is this means I cannot start my intake with the Army, so I'm unsure whether to just plead guilty and hope on the day of court the prosecution allow me to pay there and then as I've heard this has been the case before.
Can you remind us where you sent it to and by what method. Sorry if info is upthread.
 

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Can you remind us where you sent it to and by what method. Sorry if info is upthread.
It was sent here by first class guaranteed by 1pm next day on the 3rd of April :

Prosecutions Department
East Side Offices,
King's Cross Station
London
N1C 4AX

Is it worth sending a letter again on the off chance it wasn't received by the right department?

I sent an email today to [email protected]
Though they state this email is not for appeals or mitigations.
 
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It was sent here by first class guaranteed by 1pm next day on the 3rd of April :

Prosecutions Department
East Side Offices,
King's Cross Station
London
N1C 4AX

Is it worth sending a letter again on the off chance it wasn't received by the right department?

I sent an email today to [email protected]
Though they state this email is not for appeals or mitigations.
That’s the correct address I’m pretty sure.

Tho the auto replies to that e mail state it’s just for basic things like changes of address I think we have seen them accept urgent material via that on some occasions.

I’m not an expert on the ramifications of pleading guilty. But I would presume if you did you would have the criminal record you are seeking to avoid.

Did you mean to write pleading ‘not guilty’ and then going to the court to try to seek out the prosecutor to try to request a last minute out of court settlement in person?

I’m wondering if your previous letter was too lengthy for someone to have skimmed it and noticed the urgency of the timing of the situation?

Would a quick letter simply asking no more than if they had had the chance to consider your previous letter (copy attached) as you are most keen to resolve the matter out of court but are mindful of the court paperwork deadline which is imminent.
 
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That’s the correct address I’m pretty sure.

Tho the auto replies to that e mail state it’s just for basic things like changes of address I think we have seen them accept urgent material via that on some occasions.

I’m not an expert on the ramifications of pleading guilty. But I would presume if you did you would have the criminal record you are seeking to avoid.

Did you mean to write pleading ‘not guilty’ and then going to the court to try to seek out the prosecutor to try to request a last minute out of court settlement in person?
Sorry yes I meant plead not guilty.

The problem is though is this even viable? Because if they don't settle would I be worse off?
 

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Sorry yes I meant plead not guilty.

The problem is though is this even viable? Because if they don't settle would I be worse off?
Surely it’s only the outcome that’s the issue. Though you get some discount off the fine for an early guilty plea (presumably on the paperwork though, not just speed of response). I wonder if someone more expert on court process etc can advise.
 

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Surely it’s only the outcome that’s the issue. Though you get some discount off the fine for an early guilty plea (presumably on the paperwork though, not just speed of response). I wonder if someone more expert on court process etc can advise.
The main issue for me is missing training in June/July. As I cannot start until this has been resolved. So whether I get an out of court settlement or a court summons I'd need it to be before June.

If I plead guilty there's a chance the court date won't be until after then (on the current papers it doesn't say when the court date is likely to be) which would be worst case scenario for me.

If by mid next week I have not heard back then pleading not guilty may give me the opportunity to settle out of court before then perhaps?

If the court date would be before June it's less of an issue as I may be able to get a spent conviction waiver or a compensation order as a disposal which would be spent upon payment. Though there's still the issue of having a permanent criminal record, however if I absolutely have to it's something I could live with as long as I am able to join in June/July.
 
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The main issue for me is missing training in June/July. As I cannot start until this has been resolved. So whether I get an out of court settlement or a court summons I'd need it to be before June.

If I plead guilty there's a chance the court date won't be until after then (on the current papers it doesn't say when the court date is likely to be) which would be worst case scenario for me.

If by mid next week I have not heard back then pleading not guilty may give me the opportunity to settle out of court before then perhaps?

If the court date would be before June it's less of an issue as I may be able to get a spent conviction waiver or a compensation order as a disposal which would be spent upon payment. Though there's still the issue of having a permanent criminal record, however if I absolutely have to it's something I could live with as long as I am able to join in June/July.
I think you need to upload the papers that you have got as I’m a bit confused as to what you have actually received.

For example are these SJPN court papers? Where you make a plea and return the papers- if so if you plead guilty on them I don’t think you go to the court in person at all. It’s dealt with on the paperwork as I understand it.

Obscure your personal details and the ref numbers on any paperwork you upload.
 

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I think you need to upload the papers that you have got as I’m a bit confused as to what you have actually received.

For example are these SJPN court papers? Where you make a plea and return the papers- if so if you plead guilty on them I don’t think you go to the court in person at all. It’s dealt with on the paperwork as I understand it.

Obscure your personal details and the ref numbers on any paperwork you upload.
Yes it's the SJPN. There's an option to plead guilty but attend court also.
 

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Sorry yes I meant plead not guilty.

The problem is though is this even viable? Because if they don't settle would I be worse off?
GTR settle cases almost every time and I feel confident that when they see your correspondence they will also settle. I’d plead not guilty; it buys you time and I expect GTR will settle with you within the next week. We have seen them do this multiple times before. This would mean the matter is concluded this month and wouldn’t impact your join date for the Army.
 

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Yes it's the SJPN. There's an option to plead guilty but attend court also.
Thanks for posting I agree with AlterEgo. I think plead not guilty to get more time. Don’t miss the paperwork return deadline.

Continue to try to engage with the railway eg another short letter perhaps as per my suggestion.

Keep
Us posted and good luck.
 
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Thanks for posting I agree with AlterEgo. I think plead not guilty to get more time. Don’t miss the paperwork return deadline.

Continue to try to engage with the railway eg another short letter perhaps as per my suggestion.

Keep
Us posted and good luck.
Good news , they've replied on the email with this.

Since today is the last day I have to send off the court letters, should I put not guilty and explain that they've agreed to an out of court settlement?
 

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Good news , they've replied on the email with this.

Since today is the last day I have to send off the court letters, should I put not guilty and explain that they've agreed to an out of court settlement?
Get the money paid and they will withdraw the case (or offer no evidence, which is much the same).
 

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Indeed, pay that immediately and the action will cease and it will no longer be hanging over your head. Also, get them to confirm the withdrawal of the case in writing too. You can also check with the court in a few days too.
 

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Good news , they've replied on the email with this.

Since today is the last day I have to send off the court letters, should I put not guilty and explain that they've agreed to an out of court settlement?
Good news, Pay it and retain proof of payment (keep that proof long term) - then connect with court as suggested by others recently.
 

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