Jeremy Corbyn pledges rail renationalisation

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Doh! the Unions would demand that terms and conditions be set at the highest level!

Perhaps kind Uncle Jeremy will enlighten us with his views on this particular part of his great Socialist project.

 

[ainsworth74]

FGW oops GWR have 3 sets of drivers on 3 sets of pay, terms and conditions, if they cant sort it out in one franchise what are the chances of all the franchises being harmonised?

Quite! I have a feeling that similar issues also exist on TPE and Northern.

 

[jon0844]

Doh! the Unions would demand that terms and conditions be set at the highest level!

I'd assume so, so there could be quite a lot of industrial action to look forward to.

 

[455driver]

I'd assume so, so there could be quite a lot of industrial action to look forward to.

You think that the drivers from the lower paid TOCs would go on strike if they didn't get the pay and conditions of the best TOC do you?

I don't!

 

[HH]

You think that the drivers from the lower paid TOCs would go on strike if they didn't get the pay and conditions of the best TOC do you?

I don't!

I think that there would be some big pressure in some areas and that might be supported with industrial action. Drivers have been used to above inflation pay rises for the last 20 years. No way will the government want to pay drivers more than inflation.

 

[WatcherZero]

You think that the drivers from the lower paid TOCs would go on strike if they didn't get the pay and conditions of the best TOC do you?

I don't!

Isnt that whats happened in the past when franchises have been merged or services moving between them? The transferred staff want their pay and conditions to stay while the existing staff want the same rates, the union usually fights for all newly recruited staff to be on the better set of terms.

 

[lordbusiness]

Exactly my point.

There's been lots of talk but little about the practicalities. As I said, I can't see stafff accepting pay inbalances aside from possibly a London/ SE weighting.

Any old BR out there who could tell us how it used to work?

 

[Lincoln]

Isnt that whats happened in the past when franchises have been merged or services moving between them? The transferred staff want their pay and conditions to stay while the existing staff want the same rates, the union usually fights for all newly recruited staff to be on the better set of terms.

It's often quite difficult to work out which are the better terms. Some might pay a little less but attract time plus half for overtime, or might have some extra leave. Some could be on 35 hours vs 37 hours but have "paid" for it though selling something those on 37 hours see as sacrosanct.

Due to this I believe this is why many of the newer TOCs with staff groups doing the same work but on different conditions pervade the industry today. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of staff would prefer to keep the status quo as a huge potential change in conditions and pay can't be easily quantifiable in advance.

I'm guessing this might well be the same in other industries following takeovers and acquisitions. Or maybe I am talking a load of rubbish lol.

 

[Oswyntail]

You think that the drivers from the lower paid TOCs would go on strike if they didn't get the pay and conditions of the best TOC do you?

I don't!

Perhaps not. But what about those from the top paid TOCs, who see their brothers getting a substantial pay rise and themselves getting nothing?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

What makes people think that TOCs will disappear into one organisation?
I suspect they will still exist, possibly in localised form (eg a Rail North/Midlands TOC etc), as part of a new structure.
Or maybe Intercity, NSE and Regional will be resurrected (ie business sectors).
Plenty of scope for different employment Ts and Cs.
Nationalisation does not necessarily mean uniformity.
I was once told at Folkestone in BR days that "Intercity was a different company" (ie nothing to do with us - NSE).