Jubliee Line Stock Problems

[Chris M]

Where does it? I've had another look and still don't see anything.

I literally quoted it in my reply to you:

As yet a fix has not been identified, with a timescale not yet known.

 

[westv]

Service delay refund refused by TFL as they claim I wasn't delayed as I didn't get on a service because the service wasn't running.

 

[westv]

I literally quoted it in my reply to you:

I'm confused. How is "the answer to my question is nobody knows" (what I said) any different to "a timescale not yet known" (what the RMT said)??

 

[rebmcr]

Service delay refund refused by TFL as they claim I wasn't delayed as I didn't get on a service because the service wasn't running.

That's wrong, they're probably just trying to fob you off.

 

[westv]

That's wrong, they're probably just trying to fob you off.

I will send them a complaint and see what happens.

 

[Chris M]

Severe delays again this morning due to the issue. Anybody have any idea how long this will take to sort out?

All trains were inspected by the weekend, so it’s just a case of fixing the few units that are broken.

I'll assume from that that the answer to my question is nobody knows.

The latest news that has been made public is that from the RMT quoted and linked in message #12. It includes the sentence:

As yet a fix has not been identified, with a timescale not yet known.

So there is no need to assume anything.

You asked a question.
Other members posted various things, one of which directly answered your question.
You quoted a post that didn't answer your question, stating that you were going to assume the answer to your question based on the quoted post (which gave no basis on which to make the assumption).
I then quoted the post that did answer your question (specifically the part that answered your question), pointing out that it answered your question, and stating that you didn't need to assume anything.
Since then the only relevant statements you have made (as distinct from questions asked) are that there has been no answer to your question.

 

[westv]

You asked a question.
Other members posted various things, one of which directly answered your question.
You quoted a post that didn't answer your question, stating that you were going to assume the answer to your question based on the quoted post (which gave no basis on which to make the assumption).
I then quoted the post that did answer your question (specifically the part that answered your question), pointing out that it answered your question, and stating that you didn't need to assume anything.
Since then the only relevant statements you have made (as distinct from questions asked) are that there has been no answer to your question.

Que?..

 

[MikeWh]

I see the journey cost me £5.30 rather than the £2.90 it would have done if the Jubilee line had been running. Will TFL give me a full refund?

I suppose I'll wait and see although I'm surprised that what was effectively the same journey cost me almost twice as much.

There are two aspects to this:

1) Willesden Green is zone 2/3 while Cricklewood is zone 3 so you are charged for an extra zone.
2) Your normal journey is TfL only whereas the alternative uses NR as well as LU and thus costs more.

 

[TRAX]

Interesting as there have been no indications of problems with the related 95 stock which was constructed around the same time as the first batch of the 96 stock

If it’s true that only the add-on cars are affected, these were built by CAF, not Alstom like the original 96’ cars and all the 95’ cars.

 

[westv]

That's wrong, they're probably just trying to fob you off.

Just sent a complaint via their online form. Let's see if anything happens. I know the amount involved isn't great but that's not the point.

 

[Chris M]

On Thursday, the RMT issued another update: https://www.rmtlondoncalling.org.uk/files/rmt_thsc_notice_jubilee_line_cracks.pdf

Some key points:

the root cause for the cracks appearing has not been fully established, in turn an appropriate fix hasn’tbeen developed

trains considered Cat 2 will now be stopped rather than subject to checks every 3 days. As a result,10 trains are currently stopped (8 Cat 1, 2Cat2).

there [is] an issue with bolts shearing under the train which may have contributed to the cracks and that cracks have been found in other areas of the train separate to the special trailer car [7th car], which was originally believed to be the only area effected

 

[rebmcr]

Sounds like this might drag on a while. I wonder will we see 6-car operation?

 

[Dstock7080]

Sounds like this might drag on a while. I wonder will we see 6-car operation?

The train and track software is only setup for 7-car operation, platform doors etc.

 

[Nym]

Would need a weekend shutdown to swap it over, same as how it was put in, then where would you put all the extra cars?

 

[Chris M]

If the issue is not confined to the 7th car then I'm not really sure why running only as 6-car trains would actually help.

 

[westv]

I will send them a complaint and see what happens.

Sorted.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

I'm shocked that the Jubilee line stock was taken out of service as a precaution - for a train of nearly 25 years old, these perform so smoothly!

 

[rebmcr]

I'm shocked that the Jubilee line stock was taken out of service as a precaution - for a train of nearly 25 years old, these perform so smoothly!

Ah yes, "performing smoothly", that magical quality that keeps you safe when metal has literally snapped in half.

What a nonsense comment.

 

[43096]

Interesting as there have been no indications of problems with the related 95 stock which was constructed around the same time as the first batch of the 96 stock

95 stock is not affected - different design in the affected area.

 

[simple simon]

Interesting as there have been no indications of problems with the related 95 stock which was constructed around the same time as the first batch of the 96 stock

Ah but the Jubilee has been ATO for much longer.

Perhaps it is that ATO running with acceleration in what seems to be 'full power on' or 'off' mode stresses some components more than when the trains are human driven with 'partial power' graduations. Especially unpowered trailers - which if I recall correctly were the extra cars added when the trains were lengthened.

As much as its a problem to not have the full fleet available, it could be worse - I feel sure that it was a coupling issue which caused the experimental 1986 ts trains to come to grief ... also on the Jubilee line.

Then there were the total withdrawals of the 1992ts trains on the Central and Waterloo & City in circa 2003.

I suppose I'll wait and see although I'm surprised that what was effectively the same journey cost me almost twice as much.

It might be better to chase them up.

 

[Nym]

Ah but the Jubilee has been ATO for much longer.
As much as its a problem to not have the full fleet available, it could be worse - I feel sure that it was a coupling issue which caused the experimental 1986 ts trains to come to grief ... also on the Jubilee line.

Then there were the total withdrawals of the 1992ts trains on the Central and Waterloo & City in circa 2003.

Nothing to do with the single leaf doors, stepper controlled accelerators or TCMS issues?

And the W&C was for overhaul and refurb...

 

[simple simon]

Nothing to do with the single leaf doors, stepper controlled accelerators or TCMS issues?

And the W&C was for overhaul and refurb...

The 1983 tube stock had single leaf doors - the 1986 trains were standard with two pairs of double doors - 4 tube cars in each of red, blue and green. My video comes from silent super 8 film.

The 1992 tube stock Central line and Class 483 Waterloo & City trains had problems with bits falling off the trains whilst travelling - things such as motors!