shredder1
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Typo? or some sort of comment on my point?
No, it means I agree with you, "you are correct".
Typo? or some sort of comment on my point?
If it is a dangerous mistake which really is avoidable, or rather carelessness sugar coated as a mistake, they yes, a professional driver should be fired.
It is bizarre the attempts to trivialise/downpla/excuse motoring road incidents in a way that would never be acceptable in other occupations. Oh sorry love, your mother has just died because the surgeon made a mistake, but it happens you know when they are tired. It doesn't happen.
It is also ridiculous when those who try to excuse driving errors will automatically leap on a cyclist who does something wrong which has far less destruction potential. I conclude that it is more about emotion and personal identity than logic and rational objective thought.
ThanksNo, it means I agree with you, "you are correct".
Ah apologies I`ve just noticed what I`d typed, yes typo, sorry, old age and single malt, not a great combination mateThanks
If it is a dangerous mistake which really is avoidable, or rather carelessness sugar coated as a mistake, they yes, a professional driver should be fired.
It is bizarre the attempts to trivialise/downpla/excuse motoring road incidents in a way that would never be acceptable in other occupations. Oh sorry love, your mother has just died because the surgeon made a mistake, but it happens you know when they are tired. It doesn't happen.
It is also ridiculous when those who try to excuse driving errors will automatically leap on a cyclist who does something wrong which has far less destruction potential. I conclude that it is more about emotion and personal identity than logic and rational objective thought.
It's "metres". Speaking in my mid 60s, I find it rather amusing to think 'many older drivers' might not know about metric measurements. Even my late mother, born 1929, was taught metric measurements at school. She used to get really wound up about this myth of 'older people' not understanding the metric system.
As I understood it, dual imperial/metric measurements were only included in the traffic sign regulations a few years ago, for use at low bridges specifically, for the benefit of foreign drivers who might not understand feet and inches...
There's more than four bridge strikes of railway bridges EVERY DAY. There's no real trend to the frequency- numbers are here for every reporting year since 2000
#2 on that list (South Circular at Tulse Hill was #1 for years) is favorite for over height chancers especially with 9'6" containers* which shouldn't go on the route as they are over the height number on the bridge sign but they can get under if heavily laden and driven slowly then on the return trip empty or with different trailer they hit. One of the largest to/from port container haulers has had multiple strikes per year there. The other favorite at Tulse Hill was when the 2 largest supermarket groups (t+s) introduced an new higher model of rigid refrigerated lorry for deliveries to metro stores which had numerous strikes from 2015 onwards, they have now been replace with lower ones! A third supermarket (m) groups refrigerated artics from their Kent depot have had hits and plenty of near misses (reversing an artic up the Souther Circ is entertaining to watch). It also has over 10 height triggered electronic warning signs and other fixed signage for miles on the approaches.I had no idea it was that many, thanks for sharing.
#2 on that list (South Circular at Tulse Hill was #1 for years) is favorite for over height chancers especially with 9'6" containers* which shouldn't go on the route as they are over the height number on the bridge sign but they can get under if heavily laden and driven slowly then on the return trip empty or with different trailer they hit. One of the largest to/from port container haulers has had multiple strikes per year there. The other favorite at Tulse Hill was when the 2 largest supermarket groups (t+s) introduced an new higher model of rigid refrigerated lorry for deliveries to metro stores which had numerous strikes from 2015 onwards, they have now been replace with lower ones! A third supermarket (m) groups refrigerated artics from their Kent depot have had hits and plenty of near misses (reversing an artic up the Souther Circ is entertaining to watch). It also has over 10 height triggered electronic warning signs and other fixed signage for miles on the approaches.
* for example https://www.networkrailmediacentre....s-after-lorries-hit-three-bridges-in-12-hours
An one of the numerous evening standard articles about Tulse Hill:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...-17th-strike-in-just-six-months-a3239591.html
(also see twitter)
It has since been repainted in even more high contrast with reflective yellow paint and an even bigger "low bridge" sign since those pictures. Thankfully the local NR depot is 100m away adn there is usually an MoM in an NR van watching the bridge from round the corner for most of the day, it also now has CCTV coverage from every angle in and around the bridge (and on some approach signs) including at Lorry drivers eye height to see if they have looked at signs and then ignored them.
#1 is also on the South Circular, may be TfL Streets might like to contribute to the replacement of both - they did contribute to some of the Tulse Hill CCTV and improved signage
There's more than four bridge strikes of railway bridges EVERY DAY. There's no real trend to the frequency- numbers are here for every reporting year since 2000
Agreed there is even the later (last seconds in the later case!) Elmcourt and Ave Park routes.Ironically there's a very easy diversion route via Lancaster Avenue to avoid the bridge at Tulse Hill. The CPC course for drivers clearly isn't having the desired effect, the only challenging thing about it is staying awake!
If all All lorries had a built in working Truck (not car) satnav, (which should be part of the MOT) which could then could route driver around low bridges etc.
If all All lorries had a built in working Truck (not car) satnav, (which should be part of the MOT) which could then could route driver around low bridges etc.
A satnav shows passive items like round-abouts and petrol stations so why not "below standard height" bridges, doesn't even need ro be dynamic like congestion. If ever a strike causes a bridge to partially collapse as a train goes, over some very challenging questions will be asked, and probably heads will roll.
If all All lorries had a built in working Truck (not car) satnav, (which should be part of the MOT) which could then could route driver around low bridges etc.
Not everybody uses satnavs and there is a device that sounds when approaching a low bridge although it can't be relied upon and if it failed to go off when it should it would not exonerate the driver.
I had no idea it was that many, thanks for sharing.
That's just the Network Rail owned railway bridges, of course. It doesn't include strikes to bridges carrying other railway networks, roads, paths, canals, tracks, utilities etc. Could easily be double.
There's more than four bridge strikes of railway bridges EVERY DAY. There's no real trend to the frequency- numbers are here for every reporting year since 2000
It does rather raise the question as to how often the track is damaged after a hit or whether the instant stopping of trains until an inspection has taken place is overkill
It does rather raise the question as to how often the track is damaged after a hit or whether the instant stopping of trains until an inspection has taken place is overkill
Very rarely I would imagine, a container lorry like the Dover incident might do some damage if it wasn't for the protective beam but most lorries or buses would just fold on impact.
Onlookers in Dover are unimpressed after yet another lorry hit and then become stuck under the Coombe Valley Bridge
The collision occurred at about 9.30am today (August 24).
It seems like the lorry's cab was able to fit underneath the bridge, but its load did not clear its height restriction.
The lorry's load is now at an angle, with the load warped and wedged under the railway bridge.
Police are thought to be at the scene at the road is blocked while the incident is being dealt with.