LBSCR photo location

[WesternLancer]

As said in #12, the valancing is not one of the common designs used by either the LBSCR or LSWR, but is similar to several of both railways’ designs.

Thanks @Gloster . not v helpful woodwork then

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Just a thought - would the design of the dagger boards on the LBSCR side have been different from the dagger boards on the LSWR side and would this help if it would be seen the style of such canopy dagger boards at other stations in pics of similar period? Bit of a long shot given that such canopies would date from different times at different stations and presumably the style altered over time as well as by company.

I like your thinking, but if one thinks in a logical logistics sense (as in keeping costs down) for such things as the need to repair rotten timbers, awning components etc, Clapham Junction was just ONE station, so when it came to repairs of station infrastructure, it is very likely that over time, such matters were dealt with through a single department, be that of a former LSWR or LBSCR origin. I can personally confirm that employee's on the old LBSCR side in the 70's were on the books of the SWD.

 

[devon_belle]

I asked some Brighton experts. Unanimously agree it is Portsmouth Harbour. Indeed, it appears in the Middleton Press book for Chichester to Portsmouth. The photo I posted is misattributed (I shall inform the poster on flickr).

See below (https://flic.kr/p/2miYWG9):

 

[30907]

I asked some Brighton experts. Unanimously agree it is Portsmouth Harbour. Indeed, it appears in the Middleton Press book for Chichester to Portsmouth. The photo I posted is misattributed (I shall inform the poster on flickr).

See below (https://flic.kr/p/2miYWG9):

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That puts us out of our misery, thanks. The locos in each case are at the northernmost platform.

 

[Gloster]

Have we got a definite location for the original photo in #1?

A bit of further digging suggests that the design of the valancing may be a joint LBSCR/LSWR one. This would make it appropriate for Clapham Junction, the Portsmouth Joint line out to Cosham, Wimbledon-Tooting and Epsom-Leatherhead. It certainly seems to have been used in the first two.

 

[30907]

Have we got a definite location for the original photo in #1?

Yes, the 3 photos #1, #18 (note the comment - it is mislabelled as CLJ!) and #33 are of the same location.

A bit of further digging suggests that the design of the valancing may be a joint LBSCR/LSWR one. This would make it appropriate for Clapham Junction, the Portsmouth Joint line out to Cosham, Wimbledon-Tooting and Epsom-Leatherhead. It certainly seems to have been used in the first two.

Interesting point.

 

[devon_belle]

Definitely none on the Epsom-Leatherhead section. Besides, Epsom and Leatherhead both had separate stations for the LSWR and LBSCR.

None of Havant, Fratton, Portsmouth & Southsea (obvs. Farlington, Hilsea and Bedhampton which did not have canopies) have them either.

I cannot speak for the Wimbledon-Tooting line, other than that Wimbledon does appear to have the same design (https://flic.kr/p/9BHq29 - see below), but it's quite low quality so I could be making a mistake.



If this is true, then we have Clapham Junction, Wimbledon and Portsmouth Harbour. I'll leave it to the resident historians to suggest what else these stations may have in common!

 

[Steven Taylor]

I am late for the party..... I am the person who wrote the two articles for London Railway Record apropos Clapham Junction - took literally a few hundred hours of original research at Kew National Archive, the LMA, House of Lords archive etc. Nothing lifted from existing books.

I am glad we now know the respective station as I did not recognise the image as one pertaining to Clapham Junction.

Please can you tell me where I can get access to these? The history of Clapham Junction is a long-standing point of intense interest for me.

I have copies of the respective London Railway Record.On a one off basis, I am happy to send these free of any charges but I am not sure if there are any forum rules about disclosing phone numbers etc.

 

[devon_belle]

I have PMed you

 

[32475]

Many thanks indeed for everyone’s thoughts and views so far and Devon Belle’s post #33 photo at Portsmouth Harbour certainly looks convincing as the same location as the one I posted #1.
Scrutinising both these photos, I can’t make out any brick side walls to the platforms. From memory, I would expect to see brick at Clapham Junction and Wimbledon but timber construction at Portsmouth Harbour which I think is backed up by the #33 photo. Therefore I’m more convinced currently about my #1 photo location being Portsmouth Harbour.
Having said that, the subject has thrown up some fascinating observations concerning the LBSCR / LSWR joint stations.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Portsmouth Harbour looks to be the one, and the road next to the loco/train being the run round middle siding between p1 & 2, as it was prior to rebuilding. In the original image #1 the canopy appeared to be open both sides, but the bright background seems to have blotted out what looks to be the rear (of platform) timber and glass wind break screen, which in the view of 'Cleveland' is clearly visible above the coal in the tender.