Lincoln-Sheffield/Leeds line rolling stock question

[trainswitheddy]

Evening everyone. I have question as have been discussing this with my friend to do with rolling stock allocations.
On the Lincoln-Leeds Northern services generally in the week it's 195s and occassionally 158s and 150s, whereas on Sundays it's only 3 car 150/0s

Sorry if this is a simple question, but was just generally curious about why 150/0s only appear on Sundays?
Many thanks

 

[Halish Railway]

Evening everyone. I have question as have been discussing this with my friend to do with rolling stock allocations.
On the Lincoln-Leeds Northern services generally in the week it's 195s and occassionally 158s and 150s, whereas on Sundays it's only 3 car 150/0s

Sorry if this is a simple question, but was just generally curious about why 150/0s only appear on Sundays?
Many thanks

On Sundays Northern services from Lincoln run to Huddersfield or to Sheffield before working a service to Huddersfield, therefore they use a 150/0 which is the rolling stock that is most well suited to the Penistone line as 60m (the length of a 150/0) is the longest a train on that route can be and the Penistone line has seen a big growth in usage in recent years.

The 158s and 195/0s that usually go to Lincoln are used to work in pairs on the Nottingham to Leeds (and Carlisle once a day), giving the same capacity on semi-fast trains between Leeds and Sheffield as there would be on weekdays and Saturdays whilst providing half the frequency.

 

[Kite159]

And services are generally limited to 2 coaches Monday–Saturday due to having to share platform 17 at Leeds. [The Lincoln having to share with the (via Barnsley) Sheffield stopper, which it overtakes in the Castleford area]

 

[trainswitheddy]

And services are generally limited to 2 coaches Monday–Saturday due to having to share platform 17 at Leeds. [The Lincoln having to share with the (via Barnsley) Sheffield stopper, which it overtakes in the Castleford area]

That's a shame. The services can get pretty busy as far as I've seen so hopefully one day this can be resolved

On Sundays Northern services from Lincoln run to Huddersfield or to Sheffield before working a service to Huddersfield, therefore they use a 150/0 which is the rolling stock that is most well suited to the Penistone line as 60m (the length of a 150/0) is the longest a train on that route can be and the Penistone line has seen a big growth in usage in recent years.

The 158s and 195/0s that usually go to Lincoln are used to work in pairs on the Nottingham to Leeds (and Carlisle once a day), giving the same capacity on semi-fast trains between Leeds and Sheffield as there would be on weekdays and Saturdays whilst providing half the frequency.

Thanks very much for the info! Glad to finally have the mystery solved.

 

[Kite159]

That's a shame. The services can get pretty busy as far as I've seen so hopefully one day this can be resolved

Definitely there, it's a shame that the Sheffield - Gainsborough line lost the stopping service to central (covid cutback) allowing for faster journeys for Lincoln and a better chance of a seat for anybody boarding at Worksop and stations beyond.

 

[trainswitheddy]

Definitely there, it's a shame that the Sheffield - Gainsborough line lost the stopping service to central (covid cutback) allowing for faster journeys for Lincoln and a better chance of a seat for anybody boarding at Worksop and stations beyond.

Yes, I always thought the 3 car 195s would've been better suited had it not been for platform restrictions...

 

[47434]

Yes, I always thought the 3 car 195s would've been better suited had it not been for platform restrictions...

Very much so. I have a feeling 17 is going to be addressed as part of the TRU developments around Leeds

 

[Halish Railway]

Very much so. I have a feeling 17 is going to be addressed as part of the TRU developments around Leeds

Hopefully along with the creation of an additional track between platform 17 and Leeds West Jn to completely separate the two traffic flows.

 

[trainswitheddy]

Very much so. I have a feeling 17 is going to be addressed as part of the TRU developments around Leeds

Hopefully then with an option to double up sets during peak hours...the people who sort rolling stock out for these regions should really be the ones who're forced to ride it everyday

 

[YorksLad12]

Very much so. I have a feeling 17 is going to be addressed as part of the TRU developments around Leeds

It's been in the works for a (long) while - not TRU dependent, as it's got nothing to do with Transpennine Route Upgrade.

Hopefully along with the creation of an additional track between platform 17 and Leeds West Jn to completely separate the two traffic flows.

I don't think there's space for route 'G' next to 'F'; it pinches just north of the old viaduct, so you'd need a new bridge deck, which wouldn't be cheap.

Hopefully then with an option to double up sets during peak hours...the people who sort rolling stock out for these regions should really be the ones who're forced to ride it everyday

It's not going to be *that* long! You used to be able to get 3xSprinter + 2xPacer, or 2xSprinter + 3xPacer carriages in there, but it's only long enough for 4xSprinter at the moment. I think they can get it up to 6xSprinter before they run out of space, which would be a 3-carriage 195 for the semi-fasts plus 2-carriage 158 or 3-carriage 150 for the Knottingley or Sheffield stoppers. It's going to be quite narrow at the western end too, unless track can me moved northwards (which, again, adds to the cost).

 

[Class 170101]

And services are generally limited to 2 coaches Monday–Saturday due to having to share platform 17 at Leeds. [The Lincoln having to share with the (via Barnsley) Sheffield stopper, which it overtakes in the Castleford area]

I was on Platform 17 recently and I am sure it was a pair of Class 195s from there.

 

[Kite159]

I was on Platform 17 recently and I am sure it was a pair of Class 195s from there.

Was that on a Sunday?

 

[Class 170101]

Was that on a Sunday?

Yes as I recall

 

[DarloRich]

Was that on a Sunday?

Yes as I recall

Was just about to mention this. On Sunday there was a double 195 in platform 17 with the stopper/Castleford train going from platform 13 - is that usual?

 

[CaptainHaddock]

Was just about to mention this. On Sunday there was a double 195 in platform 17 with the stopper/Castleford train going from platform 13 - is that usual?

1N61, the 2137 Leeds - Sheffield fast weekdays train is nearly always a double 195 off platform 17 with the 2131 stopper usually departing off platform 15.

 

[DarloRich]

1N61, the 2137 Leeds - Sheffield fast weekdays train is nearly always a double 195 off platform 17 with the 2131 stopper usually departing off platform 15.

I am not often in Leeds on a week day so that is interesting news. is that for capacity reasons or for operational reasons?

 

[CaptainHaddock]

I am not often in Leeds on a week day so that is interesting news. is that for capacity reasons or for operational reasons?

I don't know but I very much doubt it's anything to do with capacity. Whenever I've caught the 2137 I've more or less had the front unit to myself!

 

[Killingworth]

I don't know but I very much doubt it's anything to do with capacity. Whenever I've caught the 2137 I've more or less had the front unit to myself!

In the evenings stock can be exchanged across the Pennines via 4 car services along the Hope Valley. Not a capacity need there either.