London Underground timetable booklets.

[Andyh82]

Not a lot of point printing the bus maps of the website, they are out of date! Not only are the printed maps history, but the online ones are yet to show fairly major changes such as the recent changes along Finchley Road. The response I had from TfL about printed maps cited cost and low demand as the reason. Money had been found, however, to print 14 new maps for cyclists, which they will also post out to you.

The reason the bus maps had low demand is because they were kept behind glass like a closely guarded secret. You had to know they exist to ask for them.

Out of all bus publicity, I find a map the number one thing that should exist in printed form, as you can't print them out yourselves. They give a good overview of the network and many operators up and down the country see them as being worthwhile.

I've always found the lack of printed bus timetables quite odd, particularly less frequent services in outer London. Whereas just over the border Arriva etc will provide printed timetables.

 

[Busaholic]

I've always found the lack of printed bus timetables quite odd, particularly less frequent services in outer London. Whereas just over the border Arriva etc will provide printed timetables.

In the 1960s, with a nationalised London Transport, both Central Area and Country area, the outer areas of London e.g. Bromley, Romford, Harrow, Kingston had printed timetables which you could BUY at newsagents as well as LT enquiry offices, etc. I have quite a sizeable collection gathering dust and worse in my loft! Having said that, as far as the red bus, Central routes were concerned unless the timetable was very sparse e.g. the 250 between Hornchurch and Epping, or the 146 Bromley to Downe, only first and last buses and a summary of approximate service intervals were given, whereas with the green, country routes every journey was detailed if irc, even with a high frequency route like the 480 with a 10 minute headway between Denton and Dartford.

 

[Clip]

Cycling contributes nothing to TfL coffers, though, unlike most bus passengers.

Be that as it may they still have a budget for cycling and that is what the maps come out of.

 

[rebmcr]

Cycling contributes nothing to TfL coffers, though, unlike most bus passengers.

Not quite correct; relieving pressure from other modes really helps with maintenance and other overhead costs.

 

[Bletchleyite]

4tph is the norm on Merseyrail but we still have timetable booklets. It's annoying to turn up one minute after the previous train has left and discover you have at least (more in case of delay) 14 minutes to wait. That's turn up and stamp your feet in frustration.

I'd agree that a 10 minute frequency is the minimum for turn up and go, but even with that I used to time my leaving home when I was living in Hamburg so I'd walk onto the platform just as a train arrived.

I think Merseyrail have this one right with a proper timetable.

 

[Busaholic]

Not quite correct; relieving pressure from other modes really helps with maintenance and other overhead costs.

On that basis, staying at home all day should attract a tax rebate.

 

[Be3G]

I remember back in the late 90s or early 2000s (I can't quite remember which) TfL gave out free local area transport guides – they were the successor to the (36 I think?) individual area bus maps, but these ones contained all of the local bus timetables as well, plus train information too. Really really useful. To go from that to no printed information at all is very disappointing; as someone else has commented, the bus maps were very useful but far too much of a ‘secret’ for most people to know that such a useful tool existed.

 

[Taunton]

I remember back in the late 90s or early 2000s (I can't quite remember which) TfL gave out free local area transport guides – they were the successor to the (36 I think?) individual area bus maps, but these ones contained all of the local bus timetables as well, plus train information too. Really really useful.

I remember these at that time, I was unaware of them until they did a letterbox drop of them to all the local houses.

 

[Busaholic]

Now confirmed by TfL in a letter to an individual that the printed bus map has gone for good, cessation of government grant being given as the (indirect) cause. Thus ends, with a whimper, a tradition dating back to 1911, with a break during WW2.

 

[LU_timetabler]

The definition of minimum turn up and go is a train every 12 minutes. That's why the posters at stations displaying 1st and last trains actually have the full day's timetable at Mill Hill East for example.

 

[Deerfold]

Mike is keen to produce a new map, but is having some technical problems.

He's keeping track of updates until he can produce a new one.

http://www.busmap.co.uk/index.html

Good news. Mike is producing a new map, dated 29th July and also an updated Night Bus map. It's available for pre-order at the address above.

 

[Busaholic]

Good news. Mike is producing a new map, dated 29th July and also an updated Night Bus map. It's available for pre-order at the address above.

Excellent news. I'll certainly be purchasing one and I urge anyone with even a moderate interest to do so too.

 

[LU_timetabler]

Here you go, here's all the LU timetables you could ever want
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/working-timetables
I work creating the content of these. The problem is on top of these are Timetable Notices, which making alterations for Engineering Works, etc which is why they aren't published per se, also you can see all the empty trains to/from depots. Enjoy

 

[infobleep]

Here you go, here's all the LU timetables you could ever want
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/working-timetables
I work creating the content of these. The problem is on top of these are Timetable Notices, which making alterations for Engineering Works, etc which is why they aren't published per se, also you can see all the empty trains to/from depots. Enjoy

Thanks for that.