Lumo - new Open Access operator on the East Coast Main Line

[dorsetdesiro]

That used to happen in the UK as well on some stock, I think Pendolinos and Voyagers did.

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No, they are using FISA LEAN, aren't they?

Avanti West Coast are using a variant of the same seat for the 80x and Pendolinos.

Ah, cheers. They may also be fitted on SWR's (another First company) refurbished 458s if the standard 442 seating are not transferred over

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Loo-moh.

Thanks!

 

[Mikey C]

The big launch event today (10:45)

Geoff Marshall has posted many pictures on this Twitter thread. Lots of railway "celebs" there including Tim Dunn and seatsixtyone! Geoff has also made a Star Trek joke about the uniforms...

https://twitter.com/geofftech/status/1451104815879176194

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Not keen on the livery, a bit dull in all over blue, with no other stripes or lines (photo from the Twitter Thread)

 

[ainsworth74]

I see that someone has finally realised that the correct place for plug sockets in airline seats is in the middle underneath the seat in front not the seat your sat on! The middle means that that both passengers have access without needing to trail cables over the person in the airline seat and by having in front you've got a better chance of actually being able to see it rather than scrabbling around underneath your seat hoping in vain to find it. Good to see that it's a three pin plus two USB sockets as well. Not sure about the seat back table lights though, seem a bit gimmicky unless the idea is that they might dim the lights once the sun goes down (though that seems to much to hope for!).

 

[trebor79]

I see that someone has finally realised that the correct place for plug sockets in airline seats is in the middle underneath the seat in front not the seat your sat on! T

I think this has always been known. But putting it under the seat you are sat on means all the seats are identical, regardless of whether they are airline or table seats, so save manufacturing costs.

 

[Glenn1969]

According to RTT they are starting with 2 trains a day at 1045 and 1436 from Kings Cross, are DOO and Standard Class only

are the latter 2 the shape of things to come in the rail industry if LUMO is a success

 

[CreamNCookies]

According to RTT they are starting with 2 trains a day at 1045 and 1436 from Kings Cross, are DOO and Standard Class only

Lumo are single class, it's one of their selling points.

 

[Bletchleyite]

According to RTT they are starting with 2 trains a day at 1045 and 1436 from Kings Cross, are DOO and Standard Class only

are the latter 2 the shape of things to come in the rail industry if LUMO is a success

Certainly if I was setting up a new intercity TOC I'd use a staffing model similar to what they have used, i.e. driver controlling operations and stewards dealing with customer service and emergencies.

 

[nlogax]

Looking forward to giving it a go. I have multiple reasons to be in Edinburgh for work purposes over the next few months, this could save on some travel expenses and win some brownie points in the process.

 

[ComUtoR]

Certainly if I was setting up a new intercity TOC I'd use a staffing model similar to what they have used, i.e. driver controlling operations and stewards dealing with customer service and emergencies.

Are the Stewards safety critical ? If they are dealing with emergencies then surely they would need some form of track competency ?

If they have Stewards on all services does this make it DCO ?

 

[LowLevel]

Are the Stewards safety critical ? If they are dealing with emergencies then surely they would need some form of track competency ?

If they have Stewards on all services does this make it DCO ?

The on board team leader role was advertised as safety critical so I assume they have some responsibilities, not been broken down what though.

 

[nedchester]

Are the Stewards safety critical ? If they are dealing with emergencies then surely they would need some form of track competency ?

If they have Stewards on all services does this make it DCO ?

I understand it is DOO and the “ambassadors” are not safety critical

 

[CreamNCookies]

I understand it is DOO and the “ambassadors” are not safety critical

The ambassadors are safety critical.

This is from the job advert;

• You will assume the responsibility as a Safety Critical colleague undertake on train emergency procedures when responding to an on-train emergency.

 

[fgwrich]

I see that someone has finally realised that the correct place for plug sockets in airline seats is in the middle underneath the seat in front not the seat your sat on! The middle means that that both passengers have access without needing to trail cables over the person in the airline seat and by having in front you've got a better chance of actually being able to see it rather than scrabbling around underneath your seat hoping in vain to find it. Good to see that it's a three pin plus two USB sockets as well. Not sure about the seat back table lights though, seem a bit gimmicky unless the idea is that they might dim the lights once the sun goes down (though that seems to much to hope for!).

Just putting it out there that FGW did this in their HSTs in 2007, albeit with one plug socket for the two seats at the time.

Seat back table lights do seem a little odd too - if your reading a book you usually have it in front of you rather than being on a table like that, or if your using a laptop or tablet, you’ll be obscuring the light.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I see Simon Calder is having a race today with Mark Smith (seat61.com) between London and Edinburgh.
Mark is on the 1045 Lumo service from King's Cross (running in the path of the first commercial service next week).
Simon saw the train off and then caught a Thameslink service from St Pancras to Luton Airport Parkway, then on to EZY 65 to Glasgow, intending to catch a Scotrail service to Edinburgh to meet Mark on his arrival.
Simon has a progress blog on the Independent site: Lumo train launch live: Is it faster than a plane between between London and Edinburgh? | The Independent
and Mark's Lumo service can be tracked on RTT: Realtime Trains - 171E 1045 London Kings Cross to Edinburgh
So far, both trips are running to time, Lumo having just passed Durham (was 9 early approaching York).

One comment from the blog: Lumo claim they are all-electric, while LNER are bi-mode.
That's not true if you are on an LNER 801.
Lumo can hardly claim they run "a different sort of train".

1345: EZY65 has landed a few minutes early at Glasgow; Lumo is at its Newcastle stop on time.

 

[nedchester]

The ambassadors are safety critical.

This is from the job advert;

• You will assume the responsibility as a Safety Critical colleague undertake on train emergency procedures when responding to an on-train emergency.

Fair enough but as far as I know the driver opens and closes the doors as per DOO.

 

[Christmas]

The ambassadors are safety critical.

This is from the job advert;

• You will assume the responsibility as a Safety Critical colleague undertake on train emergency procedures when responding to an on-train emergency.

I can just imagine...
"Hello signaller, this is the ambassador of 1Z99"...... the what?

 

[ainsworth74]

Fair enough but as far as I know the driver opens and closes the doors as per DOO.

I believe the style of operation is very similar to that employed on SouthEastern highspeed where the drivers are responsible for doors and dispatch but the On Board Manager is safety critical but focuses on customer service as they don't play a role in opening/closing doors or dispatch but instead are there for emergencies.

 

[berneyarms]

I see Simon Calder is having a race today with Mark Smith (seat61.com) between London and Edinburgh.
Mark is on the 1045 Lumo service from King's Cross (running in the path of the first commercial service next week).
Simon saw the train off and then caught a Thameslink service from St Pancras to Luton Airport Parkway, then on to EZY 65 to Glasgow, intending to catch a Scotrail service to Edinburgh to meet Mark on his arrival.
Simon has a progress blog on the Independent site: Lumo train launch live: Is it faster than a plane between between London and Edinburgh? | The Independent
and Mark's Lumo service can be tracked on RTT: Realtime Trains - 171E 1045 London Kings Cross to Edinburgh
So far, both trips are running to time, Lumo having just passed Durham (was 9 early approaching York).

One comment from the blog: Lumo claim they are all-electric, while LNER are bi-mode.
That's not true if you are on an LNER 801.
Lumo can hardly claim they run "a different sort of train".

1345: EZY65 has landed a few minutes early at Glasgow; Lumo is at its Newcastle stop on time.

Remember that the arrival time quoted in flight schedules is the time the aircraft arrives on stand, and not the time it lands on the runway, which is the time used by the likes of FlightRadar24.
Landing at 13:41 could still mean on time at the gate.

 

[ComUtoR]

Cheers for the replies folks.

 

[DanNCL]

One comment from the blog: Lumo claim they are all-electric, while LNER are bi-mode.

That's not true if you are on an LNER 801.
Lumo can hardly claim they run "a different sort of train".

The 801s are bi-mode, albeit not much use on their own on diesel as they only have one engine. The 5-car 801s are often used on unelectrified diversions in multiple with 5-car 800s.

 

[greyman42]

Are the paying public on any of todays services?

 

[swt_passenger]

One comment from the blog: Lumo claim they are all-electric, while LNER are bi-mode.
That's not true if you are on an LNER 801.
Lumo can hardly claim they run "a different sort of train".

Not much of a selling point is it? “Unlike LNER, our trains can’t self rescue, and will be cancelled during engineering work as we can’t divert off route…”

 

[Glenn1969]

Are the paying public on any of todays services?

No. Think the public launch is Monday?

 

[greyman42]

No. Think the public launch is Monday?

Thanks. I heard it reported on one of the news this morning that suggested otherwise, but i suppose that is typical inaccurate media reporting.

 

[Mag_seven]

Today's train is the press launch. The public launch is on Monday (although I suspect there will be press on those services as well)

 

[ScotTrains]

Looks like Calder's going to win!

 

[BluePenguin]

Not much of a selling point is it? “Unlike LNER, our trains can’t self rescue, and will be cancelled during engineering work as we can’t divert off route…”

But the point is that their trains are more “green” because they are electric only. In the event of engineering works, by not running they will not be pumping any nasty diesel fumes into the environment

 

[Mikey C]

Looks like Calder's going to win!

Why is he flying to Glasgow, to take a train to Edinburgh? Couldn't he find an Edinburgh flight?

 

[g492p]

I believe the style of operation is very similar to that employed on SouthEastern highspeed where the drivers are responsible for doors and dispatch but the On Board Manager is safety critical but focuses on customer service as they don't play a role in opening/closing doors or dispatch but instead are there for emergencies.

From their job advert for Customer Ambassador, it said “you will ensure the delivery of a right time and safe operational railway through effective platform and train interface management, providing safety critical dispatch”, so I’m not sure how DOO it is.

 

[CAF397]

Not one convenient to the departure of the train from KX, plus Luton trains go from St Pancras next door.