Scotrail88
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I’m presuming that with an around 4 min journey and a min at each end this will be a 5 min frequency.
Any idea of the unit size and capacity?
Any idea of the unit size and capacity?
Yes 24/7. Pricing similar to current bus shuttle AIUI, probably a bit more to reflect the much improved utility. Fairly sure it will be included in the rail ticket price.
I’m presuming that with an around 4 min journey and a min at each end this will be a 5 min frequency.
Any idea of the unit size and capacity?
Guess overnight it will run as a one train / on-demand service like the Birmingham Airport one?
Is it basically a funicular [1]? If so, it could be 'on demand' but it cannot be single vehicle operating.Guess overnight it will run as a one train / on-demand service like the Birmingham Airport one?
I believe it is a Cable Liner® Double Shuttle (product page) funicular made by Doppelmayr (press release), as shown on the LLAL Dart website. Also see the Doppelmayr project page, which contains a few facts:Is it basically a funicular [1]? If so, it could be 'on demand' but it cannot be single vehicle operating.
[1] I think I read that it is, but cannot remember.
Length 2,080 m (6,824 ft) Configuration Cable Liner® Double Shuttle Operating Speed 50.4 km/h (31.3 mph) Headway 225 s Dwell Time 45 s Guideway Steel Running Surface on H-Frames installed on a Continious Concrete Slab System Capacity 2,700 pphpd Stations 2 Trains Two 4-car trains Train Capacity 170 passengers/train
Its companion design, the Double Guideway Shuttle, provides two independently operating trains, which run side-by-side, each with its own guideway, haul rope, and drive machinery.
I believe it is a Cable Liner® Double Shuttle (product page) funicular made by Doppelmayr (press release), as shown on the LLAL Dart website. Also see the Doppelmayr project page, which contains a few facts:
edit: Also the product page states that (my emphasis):
Great video - thanks for sharing! It's fantastic to get an insight in the work taking place. The labels on the different days work help to get some context on what's involved. I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. Looking forward to using the infrastructure once it's ready!I did an update for the Luton Parkway Project (the bit in the Station that connects to the DART ) the other three parts are on my blog www.dbmbridges2.com
To answer an earlier question: The DART will be free to ride.
Surely the shuttle will be within the station barrier line? Whilst some punters might think to buy a single to Luton, it is probably enough to put off the majority. Of course the fundamental issue here is that drop off charges are pure revenue spinners unless combined with a reasonable (preferably public transport) alternative.from taxis / drop offs avoiding the airport drop of charge - just drop punters at the station
The same applies at Birmingham International and other rail station car parks in popular areas (e.g. Oxford). Why couldn't the solutions that are applied there (e.g. on-platform parking code displays) be used here?They would also lose short stay car park revenue, as it would be rather simple to park a the station (£9/day) and get the shuttle to avoid the short stays stay the airport (up to £50/day)
Otherwise, the airport will start losing a lot of cash both from the shuttle operation itself, and from taxis / drop offs avoiding the airport drop of charge - just drop punters at the station. They would also lose short stay car park revenue, as it would be rather simple to park a the station (£9/day) and get the shuttle to avoid the short stays stay the airport (up to £50/day). I don’t suppose the station operator would be too happy with several hundred extra people an hour using their premises as a lay-by either.
Surely the shuttle will be within the station barrier line? Whilst some punters might think to buy a single to Luton, it is probably enough to put off the majority. Of course the fundamental issue here is that drop off charges are pure revenue spinners unless combined with a reasonable (preferably public transport) alternative.
Although Stansted has an official 'free drop off' arrangement; you drop off at one of the long stay car parks, and then shuttle bus from there.
So like the one at Pisa Airport you have to pay to get a ride on that one as well.That’s not what the planning documentation said - it said it would have a charging system similar to the existing shuttle. Ie included in the price of a rail ticket to Luton Airport (vs Luton Airport Parkway), or a small fare if you don’t have the right rail ticket.
Otherwise, the airport will start losing a lot of cash both from the shuttle operation itself, and from taxis / drop offs avoiding the airport drop of charge - just drop punters at the station. They would also lose short stay car park revenue, as it would be rather simple to park a the station (£9/day) and get the shuttle to avoid the short stays stay the airport (up to £50/day). I don’t suppose the station operator would be too happy with several hundred extra people an hour using their premises as a lay-by either.
Something may have changed, of course.
No the Kimpton Road entrance is very much still open - the access for the public has been moved about 4 or 5 times as the bridge in the Station was constructed and installed - it took a bit of doing but we even kept the access open when the bridge was slide in with the station open and liveSome details missing from the full outline application (17/00283/FUL) are covered by the reserved matters application (17/01261/REM). The footbridge and new station entrance are bundled with the latter.
NR platform level: NR platforms / Kimpton Road entrance
DART platform level: New footbridge / DART platforms
Roof level: NR / DART
The DART building will have a single gateline, ergo the station complex will have a common ticketed area.
More pictures from Arup engineer Paul Baralos (attached to save space this time):
Station building & DART track / On-site view of trains & bogies
Looks like the simple Kimpton Road entrance is now closed (third picture). I had wondered if it was possible to keep it open during construction; seems not.
The path is still open and the access to the rear of Platform 1 is via the “hut” which has had the gate line moved 90 degrees. The first steelwork was installed in March 2020 at the start of the first lockdown.Do passengers still go through the hut, then? Because if there's still a path linking it to the street, it's well hidden at the station end!
I've used the station in-between some of those access changes, though I haven't been there since the COVID lockdowns started.
Why are there what appear to be boxes inside.Here it is. For the record, are there separate Twitter handles for the airport owner and operator (it's the former in this case).
Ballast to represent a full load?Why are there what appear to be boxes inside.
Probably to conceal the seats and thereby delay the storm of criticism on this forum when someone works out they are ironing boards. For a journey of 5min or so.Why are there what appear to be boxes inside.