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Man sits opposite me on a lightly loaded Bakerloo line 1972TS and puts his feat on seat next to me + people putting bags on seats on an empty train
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Ugh I hate this. Never know what to do, if anything. If someone is playing music outloud in the quiet carriage I sometimes ask if they have headphones please (and that works much better than asking them to turn it down or off), but I've never known what to say for feeters. Any ideas ?!
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Oh, and by the way, the reason why "Excuse me but do you have some headphones that you could use please?" or similar works so well is that it's a tangential question. Not a direct question (can you use headphones please?), not even an accusation that their music or video is too loud. It's a way of expressing that the volume is too loud without directly accusing them, it provides a solution to the problem, and allows both parties an easy get-out clause (ie. de-escalates any potential problem) if the person doesn't have headphones, or is so anti-social that even after this question they don't want to use them, there is no harm done to either party. It de-personalises the problem so that a mutually acceptable solution can be found.
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Oh, and by the way, the reason why "Excuse me but do you have some headphones that you could use please?" or similar works so well is that it's a tangential question. Not a direct question (can you use headphones please?), not even an accusation that their music or video is too loud. It's a way of expressing that the volume is too loud without directly accusing them, it provides a solution to the problem, and allows both parties an easy get-out clause (ie. de-escalates any potential problem) if the person doesn't have headphones, or is so anti-social that even after this question they don't want to use them, there is no harm done to either party. It de-personalises the problem so that a mutually acceptable solution can be found.
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TT-ONR-NRN
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I have to say, reading the title, and then the post, was (for me), very anti-climatic. 
Not that it’s in anyway good conduct.
Not that it’s in anyway good conduct.
Tetchytyke
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Bags on seats is really anti-social, agreed.
It's gross and I hate it. I wouldn't really call it unbelievable behaviour but I tend to just give people a dirty look. Worst I saw was a guy put his bare feet up on the seat in front on the Elizabeth line. Busy train too! That was disgusting.
I saw someone do that too on an Elizabeth line train… gave them a very judgemental look and they quickly put their shoes back on!
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Saw a video of Jimmy Carr doing this a while ago. Not that he's the bastion of good manners, but if well known celebs are so blase about it, what hope is there for the rest of us...
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There were plenty of other seats - this person seemingly specifically wanted the "forward facing window seat" and sat opposite me.
What’s wrong with it on a near empty train? If it’s making people have difficulty finding a seat, then that’s different.
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Only if the bag has a ticket, otherwise get it off the seat!
Bletchleyite
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I see no problem with a bag on a seat when there are plenty of other seats. Where seats aren't reserved, sitting next to someone if there's a seat available where you don't need to is a bit odd, unless there are specific circumstances like the need for a priority seat. I in particular understand women doing this to defend against men misbehaving - sadly this does happen.
Feet on seats - no excuse whatsoever, they're covered in muck, put them on the floor.
ThameslinkUser
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Bums don't buy tickets either.
They tend not to travel independently of the ticket holder though
Of course it isn't. People have done this forever, it's not a new thing
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Quite.
Bletchleyite
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The germophobes among us are going to find things very difficult if they realise that people sometimes sit on the floor while waiting for trains 
Not talking about LU here but I don't see anything wrong with having bag on the seat next to you IF the train is quiet, personal space is a thing afterall. If theres loads of free seats on their own why would you want to come and sit beside me? Understandable if someone needs access to a table though.
Its different if the train gets busier or if the seat beside me is reserved, the bag goes up above then.
As for feet on seats, that is a no-no. Animals on seats is a controversial one but they shouldn't be allowed on seats either imo.
Its different if the train gets busier or if the seat beside me is reserved, the bag goes up above then.
As for feet on seats, that is a no-no. Animals on seats is a controversial one but they shouldn't be allowed on seats either imo.
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Yes, it tends to be the younger student age people. They do it all the time nowadays.The germophobes among us are going to find things very difficult if they realise that people sometimes sit on the floor while waiting for trains
Maybe they deem the outside seats too dirty.
Some younger people can't seem to sit on a bench properly either.
Sitting sideways with feet on the adjacent seating area is common as is sitting on the top/back rest with feet on the seating area.
Just trying to look "cool" when they in fact look foolish.
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Young people have always sat on the floor. I think they care less that it's dirty than older people do. Also when you're young, you're much more agile and able to get up again!
I am sure this is not a 'new' or 'cool' trend, I distinctly remember loads of young people sat on Crewe platform 11 in the 90s next to their bags in the summer coming back from Newquay or festivals (even though there was space in the waiting room), and young people have sat on/slept on airport floors for as long as I have been travelling.
I am sure this is not a 'new' or 'cool' trend, I distinctly remember loads of young people sat on Crewe platform 11 in the 90s next to their bags in the summer coming back from Newquay or festivals (even though there was space in the waiting room), and young people have sat on/slept on airport floors for as long as I have been travelling.
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Is there evidence of more anti-social behaviour now than (say) in the 1970s/80s/90s?
It is a common perception among most generations through the ages that crime is getting worse from one generation to the next; this perception persists when there is no evidence for it being true, or even when the reverse is true.
Take this from 23 May 1980:
VIOLENCE ON LONDON TRANSPORT (Hansard, 23 May 1980)
VIOLENCE ON LONDON TRANSPORT (Hansard, 23 May 1980)
api.parliament.uk
I suspect you will find that there are much fewer instances of crime and other anti-social behaviour now, than there were then.
I was thinking more to the point of people sitting on the top of seat backs with their feet on the cushions.
Bare feet might look disgusting but are less likely than shoes to be covered in dog muck.
Not to mention sitting on the floor of an overcrowded train. I've done it myself. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm firmly against feet on seats.The germophobes among us are going to find things very difficult if they realise that people sometimes sit on the floor while waiting for trains
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