May 2023 changes

[Bald Rick]

AIUI, the XC timetable is the final version. May 23 though.

 

[Bletchleyite]

AIUI, the XC timetable is the final version. May 23 though.

Do we know which others are finalised, and which might be subject to more cuts? It looks for instance like Northern East is finalised with some heavy cuts there, but Northern West isn't because the only thing that's been cut is DalesRail? What about WMT?

 

[Mamorin]

AIUI, the XC timetable is the final version. May 23 though.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake with the year, can't believe I made such a stupid mistake.

So none of those stations are getting their XC calls back?

If so that sucks. Also if XC go to single Voyagers on Manchester services then Congleton not getting its XC calls back is dumb, since those calls were only suspened due to double voyagers.

I'm sure the other stations I listed lost their XC calls for the same reason.

 

[Benjwri]

Bath Spa

Bath doesn’t have any XC services in the Summer timetable

Weston-super-mare

Weston will have one train from Manchester to Paignton each way call a day

 

[Mamorin]

Nice to at least one station is getting its XC calls back.

 

[Goldfish62]

Thanks for pointing out my mistake with the year, can't believe I made such a stupid mistake.

So none of those stations are getting their XC calls back?

If so that sucks. Also if XC go to single Voyagers on Manchester services then Congleton not getting its XC calls back is dumb, since those calls were only suspened due to double voyagers.

I'm sure the other stations I listed lost their XC calls for the same reason.

Add Brockenhurst to that list as well.

 

[Mamorin]

XC's website says the serve Brockenhurst, I only listed the stations that had all their XC services cut.

Given Brockenhurst's high passanger usage figures I’m sure it might get its full XC timetable back at somepoint.

Unless the DFT say no that is.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Add Brockenhurst to that list as well.

With Brockenhurst being the gateway to the New Forest (the station is quite a bit more important than the tiny village it's in suggests), I'm surprised that isn't reinstated.

Edit: it appears to get five services in May, four on a weekend, which aren't that badly timed for weekends away or full day trips.

Realtime Trains | Departures from Brockenhurst all day on 16/06/2023

Train information at Brockenhurst all day on 16/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Goldfish62]

With Brockenhurst being the gateway to the New Forest (the station is quite a bit more important than the tiny village it's in suggests), I'm surprised that isn't reinstated.

Edit: it appears to get five services in May, four on a weekend, which aren't that badly timed for weekends away or full day trips.

Realtime Trains | Departures from Brockenhurst all day on 16/06/2023

Train information at Brockenhurst all day on 16/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Ah, my mistake. So it does.

Not sure what the excuse is for it being so limited rather than every train as before.

 

[Bald Rick]

Do we know which others are finalised, and which might be subject to more cuts?

Depends who you mean by ‘we’

 

[Mamorin]

So other than Western Super Mare none of the other stations I listed are getting their XC call back?

Also Brockenhurst isn't going back to its pre-pandemic timetable? There was like at least 1TPH from Manchester to Brockenhurst pre-pandemic.

With over 700,000 passenger trips from Brockenhurst last year I would have thought Brockenhurst would get its pre-pandemic timetable back.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

So other than Western Super Mare none of the other stations I listed are getting their XC call back?

Hayle and Lostwithiel get a morning service back.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Depends who you mean by ‘we’

I was more digging for who might be able to tell us...I guess you know but can't say

 

[Liverpool 507]

Cupar, Ladybank, Markinch, Kirkcaldy and Inverkeithing lose XC calls despite the heavy performance/pathing allowance to replicate the time of the calls at those stations. Leuchars has calls return.

 

[James90012]

I hope not. In May it looked like we finally got the long promised second EMR Derby to Nottingham service to bring the total to 4 an hour (2 EMR, 2 XC) and now it appears we have gained 1, lost 1.

If you scan through RTT, the Nottingham to Birmingham services disappear w/c 03/04/23 so perhaps it's a loading issue?

Edit: just noticed the ECS moves to Tyseley which must have been deliberately added so who knows!

 

[dk1]

Audley End appears to only get XC calls on Stansted shuttles to/from Cambridge. Any Birmingham services continue to run non-stop South of Cambridge.

 

[4-SUB 4732]

Is the the XC May 2023 timetable close to confirmed or confirmed? Just wondering if any of these stations are get ing their XC calls back? Or are these calls gone for good?
*Bath Spa
*Chester-le-Street
*Congleton
*Cupar
*Guildford
*Hayle
*Inverkeithing
*Kirkcaldy
*Ladybank
*Leuchars
*Lostwithiel
*Markinch
*Weston-super-mare

Inverkeithing, Kirkcaldy and Leuchars at the very least should be put in pretty quickly.

Congleton maybe each way once at both peak times.

Not seeing much reason to do a lot for the others, save for Guildford if you’ve got the units going up and down the Direct early and late for diversion retention.

 

[Mamorin]

Congleton maybe each way once at both peak times.

That would be a huge improvement for Congleton in the early morning.

As pre-pandemic Congleton only had very limited XC services at peak times, 1 train in the morning in the evenings Congleton would go down from 2 XC southbound services to 1 but would gain an extra service Northbound. Well that is Monday-Saterday

If your including Sundays then Sundays would be a huge improvement as the service at Congleton is poor on a Sunday.

 

[sk688]

Bath Spa's call was 1tpd , so I can't see that being put back

It's interesting that since COVID Bath has gone from being served by 3 operators to purely just GWR

 

[Mamorin]

Bath Spa's XC call are not coming back if it was 1tpd. I can't see the DFT saying 1tpd is value for money.

 

[Brubulus]

Audley End appears to only get XC calls on Stansted shuttles to/from Cambridge. Any Birmingham services continue to run non-stop South of Cambridge.

XC are going to run shuttles to Cambridge? I understand there are 2 in the late evening but will any more be added?

 

[-Colly405-]

Bath Spa's XC call are not coming back if it was 1tpd. I can't see the DFT saying 1tpd is value for money.

Bath Spa's call was 1tpd , so I can't see that being put back

It's interesting that since COVID Bath has gone from being served by 3 operators to purely just GWR

It was the first northbound 1Sxx of the day. Used to run empty from Barton Hill, reversing (at BPW or am I imagining that?) en route to Bath.

 

[The exile]

Interesting!

That makes 2 Bath starters in about 15 minutes. Wonder how often they’ll actually manage to run both!

 

[DDB]

Matlock running through to Nottingham officially confirmed by EMR. Hopefully I have attached the letter that says this. In peaks they call at both Spondon and Attenborough. Off peak the calls alternate between the two.

 

[TransportHub]

There are two trains over the Leigham spur from May in the up direction only

Realtime Trains | Departures from Streatham Hill all day on 14/06/2023

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On Sundays the 9J London Bridge - Horsham have been removed with one of the 9R Bedford - Three Bridges extended to Horsham.
The Redhill Line sees a 50% cut to London Bridge services and Ilfield to Littlehaven a 50% cut to all stopping services

Realtime Trains | Departures from Horsham between 0200 and 0159 on 18/06/2023

Train information at Horsham between 0200 and 0159 on 18/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[The Planner]

It was the first northbound 1Sxx of the day. Used to run empty from Barton Hill, reversing (at BPW or am I imagining that?) en route to Bath.

And was never put in place many moons ago because an exec member lived in Bath, absolutely not your honour.

 

[WizCastro197]

On Sundays the 9J London Bridge - Horsham have been removed with one of the 9R Bedford - Three Bridges extended to Horsham.
The Redhill Line sees a 50% cut to London Bridge services and Ilfield to Littlehaven a 50% cut to all stopping services

Realtime Trains | Departures from Horsham between 0200 and 0159 on 18/06/2023

Train information at Horsham between 0200 and 0159 on 18/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

It was like this before December albeit with a London Bridge-Horsham service hourly, with no Bedford- Three Bridges train. It won't be a massive shock either, to Redhill at least, as there are still the fast services to Victoria and the slower service in addition.

 

[lammergeier]

Looks like Cross Country may be reducing the Nottingham to Birmingham service to hourly as all of the local services have been removed and replaced with ECS paths between Nottingham and Tyseley depot.

I had to read that twice then check for myself and it appears you're right. I'm not entirely sure how replacing an in service train with an ECS one of the same length will save money? It's not going to reduce the number of staff required (perhaps guards if they wait at Nottingham) but certainly not drivers, fuel, maintainence etc. Not to mention an increase in dead time with crews being Taxi'd to and from Tyseley. Hopefully I've missed something obvious and it's not as mad as it first appears...?

 

[LowLevel]

I had to read that twice then check for myself and it appears you're right. I'm not entirely sure how replacing an in service train with an ECS one of the same length will save money? It's not going to reduce the number of staff required (perhaps guards if they wait at Nottingham) but certainly not drivers, fuel, maintainence etc. Not to mention an increase in dead time with crews being Taxi'd to and from Tyseley. Hopefully I've missed something obvious and it's not as mad as it first appears...?

I suspect it's an error. No way they'd run a Nottingham - Tyseley empties each way every hour all timetable period. Makes no sense.

 

[TransportHub]

It was like this before December albeit with a London Bridge-Horsham service hourly, with no Bedford- Three Bridges train. It won't be a massive shock either, to Redhill at least, as there are still the fast services to Victoria and the slower service in addition.

Oh yeah my bad, getting the SX and Su confused!