May 2025 Timetable Change - Confirmed Changes Only

[pokemonsuper9]

I seriously hope not, Northern have a shortage of DMUs as it is. So running DMUs between Stalybridge/Oxford Road and Wigan all under wires is a literal joke. Especially since some Glossop line trains are getting boosted to 4 cars “because it’s an EMU”, when the extra capacity really isn’t needed.

It won't all be under wires, from Wigan Station Junction to Wigan Wallgate (and then beyond to Southport) is unelecrified, that's why (in theory) the 769s are a good pick.
No different than Windermere-Manchester Airport using 195s, or using DMUs on Hazel Grove terminators (since they interwork with Buxton).

 

[amahy]

It won't all be under wires, from Wigan Station Junction to Wigan Wallgate (and then beyond to Southport) is unelecrified, that's why (in theory) the 769s are a good pick.
No different than Windermere-Manchester Airport using 195s, or using DMUs on Hazel Grove terminators (since they interwork with Buxton).

769s are ridiculously unreliable, so more often than not a 2 car sprinter turns up instead.

The fact that Northern run diesel under wires on the routes you mention is all the more reason that the Bolton - Wigan wires should be fully utilised, by terminating the services from Stalybridge/Oxford Road at North Western and have them EMU operated, then extending the Leeds - Wigan service to Southport (a full diesel route). The bay platform at Wallgate could supply the second Southport train per hour.

 

[Alfie1014]

17:07e p
Change at Cambridge for 2H82 to Cambridge North

18:07
Change at Cambridge for 2H88 to Cambridge North



Send your comment to Network Rail but I doubt they will agree.


Looks like some Norwich trains are fast from Manningtree to Stratford on Saturdays with some extra Colchester starters

The 11:02SO and 12:02SO are shown out of platform 6 at Colchester so can only be 5 cars but are fast to Stratford and Liverpool St only as reliefs to the 10:00 and 11:00 ex Norwich. Beaulieu Park stops are in but shown as not advertised, as predicted off peak they are in the Colchester Town and Ipswich services, in the peak it much more complex are in a variety of services to give 3/4 trains an hour in the peak direction. I think the loss of the Romford stops in the off peak Colchester Town services are a result of the services gaining the Beaulieu Park stops and being closely followed by the Norwich services In both directions.

 

[dk1]

Looks like some Norwich trains are fast from Manningtree to Stratford on Saturdays with some extra Colchester starters

Good to hear that’s happening again. The 10:00 & 11:00 ex-Norwich are ridiculously busy on Saturdays.

 

[Halish Railway]

769s are ridiculously unreliable, so more often than not a 2 car sprinter turns up instead.

The fact that Northern run diesel under wires on the routes you mention is all the more reason that the Bolton - Wigan wires should be fully utilised, by terminating the services from Stalybridge/Oxford Road at North Western and have them EMU operated, then extending the Leeds - Wigan service to Southport (a full diesel route). The bay platform at Wallgate could supply the second Southport train per hour.

I wouldn’t be surprised if introducing the full electric service (2tph Wigan Northwestern to Stalybridge I believe) is contingent on the opening of the third platform at Salford Crescent.

Hopefully the availability of the 769s can improve if they’re doing the climb from Wigan to Westhoughton on diesel. According to BRouter Wigan Walgate is about 43m above sea level, Ince 47m, Hinckley 74m and Westhoughton 113m, so just putting the Pantograph up at Ince as all Southport services are set to call there unlike in the current timetable should improve performance.

 

[amahy]

I wouldn’t be surprised if introducing the full electric service (2tph Wigan Northwestern to Stalybridge I believe) is contingent on the opening of the third platform at Salford Crescent.

This doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to me. Running the exact same service frequency as currently with a different traction type is dependent on extra capacity at Salford???

 

[Class 170101]

I think the loss of the Romford stops in the off peak Colchester Town services are a result of the services gaining the Beaulieu Park stops and being closely followed by the Norwich services In both directions.

Freight between The Colchester Town and the Norwich on the down doesn't exactly help either.

 

[WibbleWobble]

Hopefully the availability of the 769s can improve if they’re doing the climb from Wigan to Westhoughton on diesel. According to BRouter Wigan Walgate is about 43m above sea level, Ince 47m, Hinckley 74m and Westhoughton 113m, so just putting the Pantograph up at Ince as all Southport services are set to call there unlike in the current timetable should improve performance.

40 metres over 100 miles sounds pretty gentle to me!

 

[Mike99]

Good to hear that’s happening again. The 10:00 & 11:00 ex-Norwich are ridiculously busy on Saturdays.

My error, nothing to say

 

[dk1]

My error, nothing to say

Sorry, you’ve lost me mate.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Sorry, you’ve lost me mate.

They originally posted something and then edited it to get rid of it.
I don't remember what it said originally.

 

[dk1]

They originally posted something and then edited it to get rid of it.
I don't remember what it said originally.

Wasn’t me

 

[tram21]

EMR services are now up on RTT

 

[duffield]

EMR services are now up on RTT

I've checked a sample set of routes and can't see any changes for the current timetable, I wonder if there are any?

 

[tram21]

I've checked a sample set of routes and can't see any changes for the current timetable, I wonder if there are any?

I've noticed a couple of changes by a minute or two on the route I use most (the Matlock line*), but there's basically no changes at all.

*some services have an extra minute to get along the branch, where currently they always lose a minute unless you have a driver who's really on it!

 

[dk1]

I've checked a sample set of routes and can't see any changes for the current timetable, I wonder if there are any?

The 12:51 Ex-Liverpool Lime St still doesn’t make it beyond Nottingham and subsequently the 18:55 return from Norwich continues to be missing. I find it quite bad that there are no direct Peterborough to Norwich services from 15:41 to 17:44.

 

[Class 170101]

The 12:51 Ex-Liverpool Lime St still doesn’t make it beyond Nottingham and subsequently the 18:55 return from Norwich continues to be missing. I find it quite bad that there are no direct Peterborough to Norwich services from 15:41 to 17:44.

Hopefully it will be back as part of East Coast re-write Dec 25.

 

[tram21]

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Hopefully it will be back as part of East Coast re-write Dec 25.

I believe that's the plan, but don't quote me on it.

 

[John C]

Not sure if it’s already been mentioned but from the timetable change the current 0641 Bradford Forster Square to Carnforth will become an 0641 to Lancaster, it will no longer be an ECS working from Carnforth to Lancaster.

 

[dk1]

Hopefully it will be back as part of East Coast re-write Dec 25.

We can only live in hope. Goodness only knows why EMR are still clinging on to these things.

 

[TheBigD]

Hopefully it will be back as part of East Coast re-write Dec 25.

It was missing from the draft ECML Dec 25 timetable that was published recently.

 

[Class 170101]

We can only live in hope. Goodness only knows why EMR are still clinging on to these things.

Probably the DfT or the Treasury being a pain most likely I reckon

 

[Jamesrob637]

The 12:51 Ex-Liverpool Lime St still doesn’t make it beyond Nottingham and subsequently the 18:55 return from Norwich continues to be missing. I find it quite bad that there are no direct Peterborough to Norwich services from 15:41 to 17:44.

Is the 08:51 Liverpool to Nottingham or Norwich on a Saturday ever going to return?

 

[dk1]

Is the 08:51 Liverpool to Nottingham or Norwich on a Saturday ever going to return?

Looks like that’s still not returning this summer either.

 

[Some guy]

Not sure if it’s already been mentioned but from the timetable change the current 0641 Bradford Forster Square to Carnforth will become an 0641 to Lancaster, it will no longer be an ECS working from Carnforth to Lancaster.

That’s the way it always should’ve been. That must be the first direct connection between Bradford and Lancaster for a long time

 

[Peter0124]

XC and LNER now in,
XC have added an extra train to/from Glasgow Central, it is in the path of the LNER service that was dropped.

 

[Chiltern006]

Lumo, Grand Central and Hull trains are up

 

[PGAT]

Ditto Southeastern

 

[Northern158170]

I've had a look at the BDQ-KGX services

Arrives xx:52 ish, departs xx:16/17 but stops at BDQ for about 1hr 25 mins, works the PBO calling pattern instead of the GRA/SVG that the Harrogate trains do. Trains leave Leeds to London 30 minutes before the Harrogate trains to London

Uses platform 1

BDQ = Bradford Forster Square
KGX = London Kings Cross
PBO = Peterborough
GRA = Grantham
SVG = Stevenage

 

[Halish Railway]

I've had a look at the BDQ-KGX services

Arrives xx:52 ish, departs xx:16/17 but stops at BDQ for about 1hr 25 mins, works the PBO calling pattern instead of the GRA/SVG that the Harrogate trains do. Trains leave Leeds to London 30 minutes before the Harrogate trains to London

Uses platform 1

BDQ = Bradford Forster Square
KGX = London Kings Cross
PBO = Peterborough
GRA = Grantham
SVG = Stevenage

Looks like the 15:03 KGX to BDQ and 19:15 return are going to be 91s as well. Unusually the 19:15 skips Shipley.

Later edit:
That 19:15 train passes through Shipley 3 minutes after a London to Bradford train leaves, but both appear to use platform 3, instead of the Bradford-bound train using platform 4.