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Richardr

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I am slightly cynical about all the people berating Trump though, as (whilst Trump isn’t in any way my cup of tea) many of the people moaning about him failing to accept the election result are the self-same ones who have failed to accept referendum results relating to Scottish independence, Corbyn’s 2019 election defeat, and of course Brexit.
Has there been anyone serious who didn't accept the results of the three events you mention?

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks such results were rigged, in the way Trump claims that the US election was, and who has then encouraged insurrection against the institutions carrying out the next stage.

Obviously there are many who think that we should reconsider the decision, in the same way that we will have a general election at least every five years.
 
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Watching the BBC News this morning I saw possibly the most pathetic use of stock footage in the history of media. During an article about how the hospitals are struggling, they ran some footage of ambulances parked neatly up in car parks, with paramedics calming getting out and putting their jackets on (presumably to go off for a cuppa). It was so obviously not footage of them queuing at A&E units desperately trying to get patients into hospitals it was actually quite sad. But doubtless there are people on Facebook right now virtue signalling using exactly this kind of footage as "evidence".
 

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Susan Michie has been making her mouth go again this morning and as ever, the BBC want us to know about it. Apparently this lockdown isn't harsh enough and it should be even more strict than back in March.

Susan Michie, professor of health psychology at University College London, has urged stricter lockdown measures.

Prof Michie, a member of Sage which advises the UK government, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that the current regulations were "too lax".

"This is quite a lax lockdown because we've still got a lot of household contact," she said.

She said that while data showed "more than 90%" of the public were sticking to rules, "we're also seeing more people out and about".

"If you're a key nurse, a non-essential tradesperson, a nanny, you have mass gatherings in terms of religious events, nurseries being open and, really importantly, you have this wide definition of critical workers so we have 30-50% of (school) classes full up at the moment and therefore you've got very busy public transport with people going to and from all these things," she said.

Prof Michie said when the new, highly transmissible, variant was considered in conjunction with winter conditions - when the virus can survive for longer - the current lockdown measures were "definitely too lax".

"You put those two things together, alongside the NHS being in crisis, we should have a stricter rather than less strict lockdown than we had back in March," she said.
 

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Susan Michie has been making her mouth go again this morning and as ever, the BBC want us to know about it. Apparently this lockdown isn't harsh enough and it should be even more strict than back in March.


What else do that want people to do? Hibernate?

At a guess though she whinges about it but is doing the opposite of course


Yet why is the media not scrutinising the approach(es)? I know OFCOM are just as complicit but the whole balancing act will soon fail
 
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There's an absolutely fantastic column by Robert Dingwall in the Mail today: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...need-discuss-life-jabs-make-Covid-deadly.html

The reports from Britain’s hospitals in the past few days have been truly worrying. No one should doubt the reality of what they are facing, or the suffering of gravely ill patients and their families.
Yet troubling infection rates and daily death counts, although impossible to ignore, are not the only way to understand this pandemic and our attempts to defeat it. After all, there is real hope for the future thanks to the creation of new vaccines.

But we still need clear heads if we want to phase out the restrictions crippling normal life. Above all, we must dispel the current mood of fear and the arguments of those who thrive upon that fear.

Covid-19 is not a conspiracy, neither is it a hoax. We were right to be anxious in the spring of 2020. Now we must start to put that behind us and demand a plan to dismantle the current Government controls in step with the vaccination programme now under way.

The first thing we need is perspective. While the shortage of beds and staff distress are all too real, what hospital doctors and nurses see on the wards does not reflect the average experience of Covid-19.

Footage from intensive care units looks dramatic on television, but, as the Government’s Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance noted last March, most people go through the infection and recover quietly in the community, not on wards. Distressed and angry voices from hospitals appeal to our emotions but they must not dominate the way we think. Crisis management is not the same as planning.

Then, look at the vaccination programme and what it can achieve. My medical colleagues expect that the population’s average risk of death from Covid-19 will fall to something like that of a healthy person aged 16 to 60. In other words, very low indeed.

All this can be done quickly. Around 80 per cent of the drop in risk will be gained by vaccinating the first four priority groups in the country, which means all those aged 70 and above, approximately 13 million people. The Government hopes to accomplish this by the middle of next month.

It is a game changer. In a vaccinated population, Covid-19 will mostly mean a few days off work and will very rarely result in serious illness. It will sometimes go completely unnoticed.

Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer, points out that we already expect 7,000 to 10,000 deaths from influenza in an average year. On any reasonable calculation, the vaccination programme should take Covid deaths below this level, and make Covid less deadly than flu.

Most of us would get it from time to time but we would shrug it off and get on with our lives. There would certainly be no point in the sort of restrictions we see now.

We do not lock society down for common colds, seasonal influenza or other respiratory viruses because we accept the occasional inconvenience of infection as the price of living our lives the way we choose and enjoying the benefits of an open society.

In the same way, a vaccinated population will not need Test, Trace and Isolate, or vaccine passports or special border controls. We can make a bonfire of face masks and embrace whoever we want.

And this is a choice that starts to become available to us from next month. The only question is how quickly we choose to grasp it.

Why, then, do the restrictions and lock downs seem never-ending? In part, it is the result of misunderstandings, including confusion between Covid and the fear of Covid.

There is also pressure from commercial and other interests that have developed to take advantage of the pandemic, and which now have a stake in perpetuating alarm and anxiety.

Most of all, however, we are unable to think beyond a world of lockdown because the focus on hospitalisation and death has completely distorted our understanding of what Covid means as an infection in the future.

Our anxiety levels have been pumped up high, partly as a deliberate act of public policy and partly by the constant drip feed of bad news stories. And this is a major threat to our future and our ability to grasp it.

When we have vaccinated all the highest risk people, some time in late February, what precautions can we stop taking? Which restrictions will be lifted? And when we have completed Phase 1 by vaccinating all the people with above-average risk in late March or April, what will we stop doing then?

These are important questions but as yet, there are no answers. And, make no mistake, we will only see a timetable of this sort laid out if there is active pressure to achieve it.

Even the Chief Medical Officer has hinted that a number of restrictions and controls might continue for a longer period, perhaps even into next winter. His main concern seems to be managing winter demand for the NHS (although I believe this can be managed with increased investment in the health service and a modest improvement in the current surveillance systems for respiratory infections).

Remember this, too – many groups are doing well out of the controls and will want to see them maintained for as long as possible. Some of these groups are obvious, including the suppliers of masks, sanitisers, visors, screens and other equipment used in controls and the people whose jobs are wrapped up in them.

Closing Test and Trace would be a big deal for some businesses, including those that supply the chemicals and services involved.

Covid has its medical winners and losers, too, as different specialisms compete for their share of NHS resources. This has been a good time for those in virology, behavioural science and mathematical modelling, for example.

For many areas of science, Covid research funds have been an important hedge against the uncertainty of future funding from European research programmes. Research groups are like small businesses and cash flow is crucial to sustaining colleagues’ jobs.

Yes, Long Covid is a concern, but it should not be confused with the promotion of Long Covid anxiety to sustain funding.

More chilling is the zero-Covid faction, those who believe we must keep the pressure on the virus until it is completely eliminated. Their campaign programme often spills over into demands for permanent restrictions and controls to ensure that, in future, no one suffers a respiratory infection from which they might die.

Such people are really in the immortality business, a trade for hucksters, not scientists.

Although relatively few are vocal in this aim, their objectives are tacitly shared by many well-meaning people who have not thought through the implications of defending lockdowns, restrictions and controls beyond their justification.

As Dr Mike Ryan, Head of the World Health Organisation Emergencies Programme, has noted, societies would do better to focus on recovery than chasing ‘the moonshot of eradication’.

In the end, this is a question of democracy. Chris Whitty has rightly challenged the country to think about what level of deaths might be tolerable in exchange for a return to the lives we led in 2019.

That is not a matter for any group of experts – scientific, medical, ethical or even sociological. If citizens are to debate this properly, though, we must get beyond emotions stirred up by fear to understand the real – but modest – risks that go with an open society and a thriving economy.
 

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Dont forget Susan Michie is a communist, and as such stricter lockdown and restrictions are 'probably desirable' from her political viewpoint, rather than from a health one.
 

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One of my biggest concerns in a future public inquiry is whether the role of the media collectively and OFCOM will actually be investigated along with the actual policies and timings of everything. Of course I think some of the media's behaviour could have been curtailed had Leveson actually been implemented. Yes there should be a free press, but with that comes responsibility, and I do think accountability of facts is lacking and a complacent attitude to allowing sensationalising of reporting news.
 
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One of my biggest concerns in a future public inquiry is whether the role of the media collectively and OFCOM will actually be investigated along with the actual policies and timings of everything. Of course I don't think some of the media's behaviour could have been curtailed had Leveson actually been implemented. Yes there should be a free press, but with that comes responsibility, and I do think accountability of facts is lacking and a complacent attitude to allowing sensationalising of reporting news.

Good post, I’d go so far as to say that the press has blood on it’s hands.
 

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Dont forget Susan Michie is a communist, and as such stricter lockdown and restrictions are 'probably desirable' from her political viewpoint, rather than from a health one.
Surely damaging small businesses, and increasing the stranglehold of global corporations is the antithesis of the Communist Manifesto?
 

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Watching the BBC News this morning I saw possibly the most pathetic use of stock footage in the history of media. During an article about how the hospitals are struggling, they ran some footage of ambulances parked neatly up in car parks, with paramedics calming getting out and putting their jackets on (presumably to go off for a cuppa). It was so obviously not footage of them queuing at A&E units desperately trying to get patients into hospitals it was actually quite sad. But doubtless there are people on Facebook right now virtue signalling using exactly this kind of footage as "evidence".

My friend is a paramedic and they are having to queue up. I am sure the footage on TV was just used as an example (stock footage; easier than sending out a camera crew to film something during a pandemic for absolute accuracy), just as the wrong trains are often included on TV and film to 'set the scene' and enthusiasts go insane over it.
 

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Surely damaging small businesses, and increasing the stranglehold of global corporations is the antithesis of the Communist Manifesto?
Well you could make an accelerationist argument of the opposite.....
 

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Susan Michie Dolores Umbridge seems a bit deranged but I guess it has no impact on her if lockdowns are stricter?
 

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My friend is a paramedic and they are having to queue up. I am sure the footage on TV was just used as an example (stock footage; easier than sending out a camera crew to film something during a pandemic for absolute accuracy), just as the wrong trains are often included on TV and film to 'set the scene' and enthusiasts go insane over it.
And is this the first time ever, or does this happen almost every year?
 

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Where I draw issue with the Mail article is that it doesn’t clarify that it is essential that we first start to see positive results from the vaccination programme, which is still very much only getting started. Knowing this government’s past record of declaring victory only to be smashed with the next phase of reality striking, I would be happy for a period of waiting to make sure this strategy is indeed the correct one. The length of immunity time with the vaccination also need to be better understood in the face of a mutating virus.
 

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Knowing this government’s past record of declaring victory only to be smashed with the next phase of reality striking, I would be happy for a period of waiting to make sure this strategy is indeed the correct one. The length of immunity time with the vaccination also need to be better understood in the face of a mutating virus.

Whilst I understand your sentiment regarding this government's record, what is the alternative? If it doesn't work - which given the data seems unlikely - then the only option is letting natural immunity take its course, which also involves opening up.

Not opening up / indefinite restrictions simply isn't a viable option.

Now the vaccine tech is there, dealing with mutations should be pretty straightforward. And coronaviruses generally do not mutate to the extent influenza does in the same time frames. So I see no need for too much worry over that.
 

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Surely damaging small businesses, and increasing the stranglehold of global corporations is the antithesis of the Communist Manifesto?
I wouldn’t have thought selling off treasured European art to the Middle East for £50m is quite in keeping with such principles either, but that didn’t stop her.
 

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Whilst I understand your sentiment regarding this government's record, what is the alternative? If it doesn't work - which given the data seems unlikely - then the only option is letting natural immunity take its course, which also involves opening up.

Not opening up / indefinite restrictions simply isn't a viable option.

Now the vaccine tech is there, dealing with mutations should be pretty straightforward. And coronaviruses generally do not mutate to the extent influenza does in the same time frames. So I see no need for too much worry over that.

I agree an indefinite restriction of life is not viable. However it’s already proven that an immediate de-restriction of life is also a bad strategy, as it leads to a lack of reaction time if circumstances change once again. Remember in government with committees and consultations and lobbying, what should take 1-2 days to decide can take 1-2 weeks or more. Committing all-out to one route forward means not having a ready-to-go plan B should the assumptions underpinning Plan A prove incorrect.
 

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I agree an indefinite restriction of life is not viable. However it’s already proven that an immediate de-restriction of life is also a bad strategy, as it leads to a lack of reaction time if circumstances change once again. Remember in government with committees and consultations and lobbying, what should take 1-2 days to decide can take 1-2 weeks or more. Committing all-out to one route forward means not having a ready-to-go plan B should the assumptions underpinning Plan A prove incorrect.

Well yes I agree they should already have multiple scenarios worked out based on the data that comes in. I assumed that would have been the case, but maybe I'm being naiive given the incompetence seen so far?
 

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Well yes I agree they should already have multiple scenarios worked out based on the data that comes in. I assumed that would have been the case, but maybe I'm being naiive given the incompetence seen so far?

*Nods*

Visualise lifting of restrictions in tandem with vaccine programme as tantamount to uncorking an over-pressurised bottle. Much like last summer, going too early (or being faced with a change in the reality - such as a vaccine-resistant mutation) will take weeks/months to coax the public mindset back into a lockdown, by which point Covid would be running rampant again.
 

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It's always bad in the winter, given the NHS is always under immense pressure, but this year is much worse.

If that turns out to be the case (we will find out for sure when winter is over), then part of the cause must surely be the NHS being underused in the summer when people were not being seen for regular maladies, and these conditions becoming urgent to see this winter adding to the pressure. That is just mismanagement.

I will be interested to see the data on this when it's over. Obviously that's just a hunch I have, at the moment.
 

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Now the vaccine tech is there, dealing with mutations should be pretty straightforward. And coronaviruses generally do not mutate to the extent influenza does in the same time frames. So I see no need for too much worry over that.

It seems to be that we should be scaling up vaccine production capability and keeping it scaled up long term. This won’t be the last Covid and if the will and infrastructure were there responses could be an awful lot quicker. And in the medium term it would mean mutations if they happen would be less debilitating.

On the other hand, maybe I’m falling victim to recency bias, a bit like how earthquake insurance sales skyrocket after an earthquake.
 

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As bad as say the winter of 2017/18? There were 50K+ excess deaths in just 3 months.

It's worse because hospitals have converted multiple wards to Covid wards, which requires all the PPE and cleaning, while there's a shortage of staff due to sickness or even that there just isn't enough staff in the first place (due to cuts, Brexit making some people go back home etc).

Hospitals are at breaking point. The impact on people needing treatment for other conditions, operations etc is also significant - which means more people are going to die who don't have Covid.
 

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It's worse because hospitals have converted multiple wards to Covid wards, which requires all the PPE and cleaning, while there's a shortage of staff due to sickness or even that there just isn't enough staff in the first place (due to cuts, Brexit making some people go back home etc).

Hospitals are at breaking point. The impact on people needing treatment for other conditions, operations etc is also significant - which means more people are going to die who don't have Covid.
Yeah on that last point, there is a huge backlog of treatments and operations thanks to the panic caused by covid. Given that hospitals are one of the primary sources of spread, is it possible that previous lockdowns have actually made the problem worse?
 

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It's worse because hospitals have converted multiple wards to Covid wards, which requires all the PPE and cleaning

Hold on a minute there - why would Covid wards require any different cleaning? Is that to prevent those patients in Covid wards from catching Covid?
 

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As bad as say the winter of 2017/18? There were 50K+ excess deaths in just 3 months.

The graphs on this twitter thread give a good idea of how bad the hospital situation is compared to previous years

Although I do have a bone to pick with the graphs showing occupancy (vs admissions) and the fact that they've started the axis at 550 rather than zero, which has the effect of making the spike look much worse than it actually is. The fact that it's already so far above the previous peaks, and with a severe upward trend should be "sufficiently" terrifying to not need further doom-mongering
 

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the fact that they've started the axis at 550 rather than zero, which has the effect of making the spike look much worse than it actually is.
Unfortunately, baseline omission is a classic way of representing data, it sets off flashing red lights and Klaxons off inside my head that the person who made the graph is either an idiot, or trying to manipulate.

I did find the use of London only to be a little disingenuous too, if you're advocating restrictions for the whole UK, you should use figures for the whole UK.
 

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The graphs on this twitter thread give a good idea of how bad the hospital situation is compared to previous years

A question I've not seen answered about this graph is are the datasets really comparable? In previous years were hospitals routinely PCR testing tens of thousands of patients for flu even if they were asymptomatic?
 
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